Gay Group Demands Christian Churches Be SHUT DOWN for Opposing Same-Sex Marriage

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LGBT activist Artery. Freedom for “everyone” – except Christians, of course.

by Jason DeWitt | Top Right News

It has begun. LGBT “activists” have gone full fascist since the passage of Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA).

Now — right before the holiest days in the Christian calendar — one gay group is attacking Churches who dare to believe that homosexuality is wrong.

The largest gay group in one Western state is demanding that Churches who follow the Bible be shut down by the government.

Jeran Artery, the chairman of Wyoming Equality posted that stunning statement to his Facebook page. When Christians reacted with outrage, the cowardly Artery deleted it. No apology, just hoping it would go down the memory hole. No such luck.

The folks at Conservative Colorado got a screen shot of the post before Artery deleted it.

Today, in a stunning statement, Jeran Artery, Chairman of Wyoming Equality argued that churches who do not support same sex marriage should lose their tax exempt status.

Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!”

Talk about tolerance, freedom of speech, and religious freedom. Disagree with Artery’s views of same sex marriage and your church will be shut down.

Gone are the days of pluralism. This is what tyranny looks like.

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This should come as no surprise, as it reflects the vile militancy the LGBT movement is known for. Just as they unleashed threats of violence and arson against a tiny pizzeria in Indiana when they dared to express a very mild opinion against gay marriage, so they want to punish Christians who dare to preach, well, Christianity.

Revocation of exempt status is a financial death penalty for most churches, as an estimated 85% of them barely break even or operate at a loss, with most of their efforts geared toward helping the needy. It makes perfect sense that a far-left gay group would advocate this, as it is how Obama used IRS official Lois Lerner to silence conservative groups.

But notice who he did not mention: mosques. Gays never criticize Islam, even though it is only Muslims who are hanging gays from cranes and throwing them from buildings every sngle week. 

Get ready. With weak-knees like Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) already backing down, you can expect the pink mafia to step up their aggressive action against Christians who dare to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.


  • Jim Kress

    Next come the camps and gas chambers. Or perhaps they’ll build a coliseum in Washington DC and sacrifice Christians to animals and gladiators.

  • Turd Ferguson

    This is the way to sway opinion AWAY from your cause.

  • James Berry

    Any church that does try to take away anyone’s rights should have their tax exemption revoked. In fact, churches shouldn’t be tax exempt at all. Any law abiding citizen of this country should have the full rights guaranteed through the constitution and bill of rights. Why should anyone have their rights thwarted because they are gay?

    • Carolyn Burton

      Freedom of religion

      • James Berry

        Freedom of religion is fine. I personally think more of people that are free of religion, but i wouldn’t turn their business away because they believe in a god.

        • Josh

          I’m not really sure that your above statements made any sense, whatsoever, no offense intended. What you’re trying to say isn’t clear.

          I wouldn’t turn the business of homosexuals away either, though being a life-long believer in God. I would serve food to them as a restaurant owner. I would do their taxes. I’ve worked with them and gotten along fine with them, even though they thought I hated them simply because I am a Christian. I can do all those things without sinning. But, once I participate in a sinful act, I am sinning. I.e., as one who is on the path to ordination, I will not be able to marry two homosexuals. Nor will I marry a believer and an unbeliever (1 Corinthians). To aid in the carrying out of a ceremony that is sinful would be wrong for a Christian. Some might do it anyway; but, that doesn’t make it right.

          I agree with those who say that the title of the article is misleading. The author never quoted anyone who actually said that churches should be shut down. However, it is true that many,many churches would have a very difficult time, and in fact, would close their doors if they lost that status. As it is, churches have struggled to meet the mandates of the new healthcare law. I know this firsthand because I’ve sat in a number of different church meetings (regional and local) and watched as they struggled to adjust pastors’ health insurances as a part of their salaries. The fact that there are some very large churches with lots of people to give and make a few pastors quite rich is an exception to the rule. There are very few men who become ministers to make money. I wouldn’t be on this track if I wanted to make money. I’m struggling to get through school with a family in order to make a meager salary at best. Church leaders like Joyce Meyer, Oral Roberts (former), Joel Osteen and a few others who make the big bucks are a very small minority. From two sites, I found that there are 320,000 churches (congregations) v. 1300 megachurches in the U.S. That’s a ratio of 246:1, meaning that only 0.004% of churches in the U.S. are megachurches. So, basically most churches are really not that well off and are using much of the money that they do have on missions and charitable acts, as Christ instructed them to do.
          This whole business about discrimination is nonsense. Should I force a seamstress who is part of PETA to make me a coat made out of mink fur? The answer is resoundingly, “NO!” I will go and find someone who doesn’t have a problem using animals for their fur to make me a fur coat, instead of being insanely hateful and obnoxious by trying to force that person who thinks its wrong to go against his beliefs. Further, there is no anti-discrimination clause in our constitution for homosexuals . There is for one for religion.

    • Former liberal

      So you want to take away others freedom. How bigoted and hypocritcal of you. Love your intolerance. Proif that liberals are the true bigots.

      • James Berry

        You are an idiot. Much like many others. Because i don’t agree with you, i must be a liberal. Just as if i were on a liberal site disagreeing, i’d then be called a conservative. That, in a nutshell, is the basic problem with this country’s government/politicians. Too few think for themselves instead of plowing through life as a convinced lemming. I’m neither a liberal nor a conservative. I decide what i agree with, or disagree with, based on my personal views. I don’t need a multi billion dollar entity to tell me what or how i should think.

        I want all people to have the same rights. A baker that denies making a wedding cake for a gay couple because of some religious fanaticism is abhorrent. Just as a church denouncing anyone’s sexual preference is abhorrent.

        • Former liberal

          The only idiot is you. There is no fanatacism other thsn from ignorant people like you who are liberals and want to force your beliefs down others throats. You further prove your idiocy by lying about being a liberal and then even mor by denying Christians their rights. That makes you a bigot and a hypocrite and a liar. Your lack of facts when backing up your wothless opinion also shows how stupid you are. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Hobby Lobby v government that religious business owners do not have to leave their religion out of their business. Myself and other soldiers and veterans did not sacrifice as so stupid people like could violate our rights snd we are willing to use our 2nd Amendment rights to ensure it. Do bring it on cupcake or are you as much s coward as you are stupid.

    • Gstephens

      How can a church take away anyone’s rights? BTW, what constitutional rights are in jeopardy for any gay individual?

      • James Berry

        Really? The amount of churches that will not have gays as part of their congregation is pretty large.

        • Hyle Owens

          I think you will find that inclusion into a congregation is not a Constitutionally protected right. It may make the church leaders into hypocrites but that’s another matter entirely.

        • Lolly

          most congregations I know would welcome them with open arms as long as they were not openly participating in an active homosexual lifestyle. Just as they do with straight people, as long as they are not participating in an openly adulterous lifestyle or an openly alcohol imbibing lifestyle, etc. If someone is living an openly sinful lifestyle–OF COURSE the congregation cannot welcome them with open arms, It is against the law of Christ. Let’s throw aside the fact that the Bible openly condemns activly participating in a homosexual lifestyle. It also says that if you think something is a sin and you DO IT, even if it is not–in fact–a sin, then you are sinning. just that alone will stop someone from welcoming someone into the congregation if they KNOW they are living a sinful lifestyle. just some food for thought and with all due respect, James Berry.

    • zion939

      It is not a “right” to shop at the businesses that don’t want to do business with you when there are hundreds if not thousands of other options. No one is “entitled” to the labor of another person. I just don’t get why that is so hard to understand.

      • James Berry

        There are not always “hundreds if not thousands” of other options. Living in small towns that have fewer businesses, especially that are basically the same, won’t give many, if any options.

    • frgough

      Churches are financed by donations, which are taxed (deductions for charitable contributions are not a 1:1 ratio on your taxes).

      • James Berry

        Churches, as with all businesses, are financed by the “little people” who make the least but give the most, as a whole.

        • Lolly

          Are churches businesses?

          • James Berry

            Yes they are.

      • smokymtnwudcarvr

        What I Don’t understand is , Why in Gods green earth does someone who doesn’t subscribe to Christian beliefs wish to enter into a Christian covenant (Ie. Marriage in the eyes of YHVH (yeh-ho-vaw’) By a man that represents the covenant made between man and the God that they don’t subscribe to ? Unless they are subconsciously trying to rub their sin in the nose of YHVH in whom they don ‘t believe . They can go to a court house and get married by a justice of the peace , and get the tax credit they are desirous of anyway . Then they c an leave the church out of the equation all together. and as far as a wedding cake , you can’t tell me here arent ANY gay or atheist bakers in the entire US of A that they can get to bake them a cake . There is such thing as the internet and internet shopping is really easy.But then you won’t have anything to bitch about .

    • marg

      So, if you continue to follow this “logical” (cough cough) path, where do you stop??? If anyone and everyone gets their “rights” violated by someone else, how far do you want to take it? Who’s “rights” will win out in the end??? Rights are not just something you can just pass out to those you like best, or the ones you agree with. You are never going to totally one hundred percent agree with anyone!! So are you willing to give up some of your rights to make sure someone else has their rights as well??? Yeah, we’ll see how far that goes……

      • James Berry

        So you are saying that taking rights from one sect to appease another is both valid and warranted?

        • Lolly

          There is not one single person living on the soil of our great nation who has the full support and approval of every thought and action in their lives by every single person in their lives. Marg is trying to say–where do you draw the line? Who gets to win? The person who doesn’t have the approval of everyone OR everyone who disapproves? Someone has to lose. It can’t all end up all neat and tidy in any situation, no matter the situation.

    • PhotoPhil

      James, the churches aren’t taking away anyone’s rights. They may refuse to perform a same-sex wedding. That’s not taking away your right to marry your partner if it’s currently legal in your state. That’s just saying that particular church respectfully declines to support something they believe is sinful. There are plenty of ministers/chapels.churches out there that will gladly do the ceremony. So explain to me how that’s taking anyone’s rights away? Now, forcing pastors and churches to perform same-sex weddings, that are against their religious beliefs… Well, that’s a “Right” that has been on the books since the 1700s.

      • abbypatch

        and in some states the right to refuse to perform such weddings has been taken away, as well as the right to refuse to attend a same-sex marriage reception as a photographer, cake prepper, or band if it goes against their belief, which is coming soon.

    • JMD

      What rights do straight people have that gays don’t???

      • James Berry

        When a person denies service based on the consumer’s sexual preference, you are denying him a right.

        • JMD

          So if I open a business then I am under a differnt set of rights. I have to serve everyone. It’s my business. I decide who I serve. If you call a plumber and he doesn’t show up because he finds out your gay and want to look at his ass while he is under your sink. Is that denying your rights?
          You want government to run private businesses? There is a word for that and so far we are still capitalist. Gays have exactly the same rights under the constitution as everyone else. Name one that is bias toward one group over another. Just one. Come on try it.

          • Kimmie Collier

            NOT ALL GAY PEOPLE ARE PERVERTS LIKE YOU LOL GOOD GRIEF. NEVER ASSUME! IT MAKES AN ASS OF YOU AND ME

          • Lolly

            Did you ACTUALLY read what JMD wrote? Because your response does not match what he said AT ALL.

        • avengeflipper

          People have a right to a wedding cake… awesome.

      • Jae Marie

        rights under the law straight people have that queer people don’t: marriage. adoption. the right to not be fired from their job because of their spouse.
        this does not include privileges that straight people have that queer people do not.

  • Wes Brown

    There are so few gays that, I’m not sure why they get so much press time.

    • Danielle

      The squeaky wheel gets the most attention :/ The rest of us need to start squeaking before it’s too late.

      • charlieholmes

        We already are, and it already is. The problem lies in the fact that the mainstream (“lamestream”) media won’t allow our message to get out. They block anything that isn’t ugly, unChristian, or vile for one simple reason: ratings. Murders, rapes, robberies & burglaries make for “good news”. Good News doesn’t (according to them). Nonetheless, we will continue to spread The Word that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    • adobong_paksiw

      Because it is politically correct.

    • Tim K

      Rights are not based on majority opinion.

      • Sons of Liberty

        But they should be, as the majority are the people who make the country work.

        I remember the liberals screaming about the 6 million white minority in South Africa who had control over 18 million black and colored people. The same libs who seem to want minority control in the U.S., wanted total majority control in South Africa.

        • Tim K

          No rights should not be based on majority opinion. Think about it. So you can’t have freedom of speach. Because me and the neighbors are offended by your opinion. Nope doesn’t work that way. The constitution protects everyone from the tyranny of the majority.

          • Lolly

            it should also protect everyone from the tyranny of the minority, but it doesn’t look like we’re headed that way.

        • Mike Mitchell

          The way our legislative body was created belies your words. The Senate contains 2 representatives from each state, solely for the purpose of ensuring that the majority CANNOT take away the rights of the minority. The founding fathers expressly created it that way, just for that purpose.

          • Sons of Liberty

            They have the same rights as anybody else. They do not need special rights.

          • Mike Mitchell

            You obviously don’t know what a right is… They do have the same rights as everyone else, they are not asking for more rights, they are asking that those rights don’t get taken away. In this particular case, a business is required to fairly provide a service to everyone, if they provide that service to anyone. That is the law. The RFRA says that, based on their religious beliefs, they are allowed to ignore the law requiring them to provide fair and equal access. That is how this law takes away the rights of LBGT people. This is not a fight for special treatment, it is a fight to keep from being excluded. The law is stupid in that it can backfire in so many ways. If a different religion comes into the majority in this country, this law will allow them to discriminate against christians, for example. It opens the door for establishment of sharia law, not a good idea in my book. I’m not against this law because it is sponsored by christians, but because it opens a pandora’s box of possible abuse.

          • Sons of Liberty

            I have no problem with the law. If you don’t want to provide a service to somebody, he or she can take their business to someone else. That’s the capitalistic system. Love it or leave it.

          • Lolly

            Used to be–I guess it isn’t anymore–that there were signs on business doors or windows which said “We reserve the right to refuse business to anyone.”

          • Sons of Liberty

            Well, if everybody just “does” it that’s how it will work again. A government can’t control the masses.

        • Tim K

          You know nothing about liberty. Liberty is about individual choices not majority rule.

          • Sons of Liberty

            Which means, a minority should be forcing issues on a majority.

    • Curly Valjean

      If the gays are that few in number, then why are we not automatically covered under the “minority” category. In fact, back in the ’90s, when we sought protection as a minority group, were we given the reason for decline is that “there are not enough gays to constitute a minority.” Someone needs to explain THAT one to me…so we did not have enough…to be a minority. *scratching head*

      • Rick Hill

        OHHHYYEEEEAAAHHHHH!!! A hairy ass makes me wanna have sex with it. ALL OF YOU ARE DISGUSTING FREAKS!

        • TittieTwister

          How about a hairless ass?

        • Curly Valjean

          Clearly, you know entirely more about my nether regions than you should. Also, what you are assuming is that I am active. WRONG! I have been celibate for almost 9 years now, so no sin going on here in that area. You are a hateful bigot and THAT is the truly disgusting part of all of this.

      • Jeffrey Lee Pennington

        If gays want to marry, fine But you may not adopt children. If you cant have children its not because one of the partners eggs are not viable, Its because the partners eggs come from the same side i.e. both male or both female. So if left to your own vices, you will always be a minority.

        • Curly Valjean

          Instead you can just thank us for not contributing to the already booming population. Secondly, there is always surrogacy. Lastly, you are correct, because single mothers banging out children like a Pez dispenser then relying on the government to take care of them is such a better prospect. Besides, gays already adopt children. What rock are you living under? Or is that another piece of “non gay directed” legislation you are proposing?

          • Wes Brown

            Gays are not a minority per how minorities are defined. Ethnic groups can’t change, a gay person can choose not to have sex…. little different

          • Mike Mitchell

            Whether a gay person has sex or not, does not change the fact that they are gay. Being gay is about how you feel about members of the same sex, and has nothing to do with whether you act on those feelings or not.

        • Guest

          Not fine. Marriage is sacred. A civil union, ok. Marriage, no.

    • Sons of Liberty

      There are a lot of peter puffers and dy)kes who enter into the journalism profession.

  • A minority is sometimes a minority for a reason. Squeaky wheels can only get so much grease before you just get a new bike.

  • zion939

    So does “revoking 501(c)3 status” equal “shut them down”? I’m not trying to be snarky, I’m just looking for information because I find the title misleading. That being said…..it is not a “right” to get your cake, flowers, etc. from the few businesses that don’t/won’t/can’t do business with you when there are hundreds if not thousands of other options.

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    • gooseman

      Most churches wouldn’t survive without tax exempt status, as there is no mandate to “pay for play”, like a business.
      How is the “no shoes, no shirt, no service” idea substantially different from the idea that it would violate my religious convictions to endorse a sin against God, so I’m not going to support a sham of a marriage ceremony by being the photographer or caterer or whatever? Go find someone that worships money and they’ll do it.
      What’s next…forcing a kosher butcher to slaughter and carve a farmer’s pig?

      • Unkie Numbnuts

        Actually, they all can because they sit on a wad of cash hidden from the members to keep a cash flow constantly coming from it’s members by claiming they need the money.

        • Jerry Fleming

          Pretty apt name for one who spouts such nonsense… You truly live up to your name….

          • Unkie Numbnuts

            You wouldn’t be hearing from them if they didn’t have a stash of cash to stand up on to make their demands.

          • Asphalt_Ranger

            You’re full of crap…my grandfather was a pastor, and his church relied solely on donations, so it was broke most of the time, and he took very little as a salary, my mother grew up in a very poor household, and my grandfather died a poor man. So until you know what you’re taking about, I suggest you shut your pie hole.

        • joey c

          another asshole !

        • fedup

          And which church’s books do you cook?

          • Unkie Numbnuts

            They all cook their books.

          • Asphalt_Ranger

            Does anything besides bullcrap ever fall out of that sewer you call a mouth.

          • Bandit

            Do you have absolute proof of that, there is one church that I know of that does pay taxes, can you guess what church that is?

      • Polyperchion

        Religious institutions are consistently exploited as one of the most profitable money making schemes in the country. If you revoke, it takes the opportunist televangelist types and Al Sharpton’s out of the church. There really is no reason not to. If the church wants to run a charity – let THAT be tax free.

        • Kay Kristin

          Hey, if the freakin’ NFL can be tax-free, churches can be tax free.

      • Auntie Enn

        Hmmmm. Let’s see. Churches petition members for money to build a new church. Or buy a bus or pews or even a new car for the minister. I’m sure some of those donations could be used to pay taxes. That being said, this guy is an idiot. It’s so easy to attack Christians who stand up for their beliefs because of the ‘turn the other cheek’ admonition in the Bible. What they don’t realize is that we turn the other cheek except when we are told we cannot worship in our faith Then, we dig in our heels.

      • SemperFi

        Excellent point. The Mises Institute posted a great article yesterday about how the law should not been just about religious freedom, but about property rights. The government is way too involved in private business.

      • Christian

        You are wrong. We can assemble privately in our homes. God always prevails and can never be bound by man. A church is not a building but it’s congregation.

    • Fauntleroy

      Revoking a Churches 501(c)3 does nothing.
      Churches are automatically tax exempt under the current IRS code and are not required to obtain the 501(c)3 status.
      The media has falsely claimed for years that they must have a 501(c)3.

      • Susan Fuchs

        very true!!!! they should get out of the 501(c)3!!!! every last one of them!

    • Herb1949

      Here is what is really funny, churches are worried about losing the tax exempt status for supporting a political view/candidte, but Jesus lost his LIFE supporting a specific, unpopular, politically incorrect view.
      To me this speaks of hypocracy on the part of churches.
      Besides, reading the actual law there is nothing against them speaking for or against a political candidate, as long as it isn’t a major part of their actions.
      I think the major problem is that churches don’t want the government in their business.

      • Clay Fitzgerald

        It was through legislation to revise the IRS code to put restrictions on churches and non-profit organizations in 1954 by then-Senator Lyndon Johnson. Prior to 1954, churches and non-profits had no such restrictions on their freedom of speech or their right to speak out in favor or against political issues or candidates.

  • Treefrog

    Why should Christians have their rights taken away? Because YOU say so? True Christians are having a hard time as it is. Why make it worst? As it is we Pray for your souls and you hate us just like ISIS hates us. God help us.

    • the dude

      you need to calm down, Atheists are NOTHING like ISIS and comparing the two makes you look impossible ignorant. Also as an Atheists I don’t support them, I support the idea of everyone being their own person and good to one another. On that note, let this quote sink in a little bit:
      “There is simply nothing we can do about the rise of Atheism, but accept the inevitable and hope they do not treat Christians the way Christians have treated them”

      • gingerdog

        I have not and do not treat atheists disrespectfully or with contempt. Your quote “makes you look impossibly ignorant.” I find it akin to those who claim that whites should feel guilty for slavery when they have never owned a slave……

        …..but we are, currently, slaves to pc extremism.

      • Mary Decker

        The Christian I know treat atheists very well. Hose burns down in town no one asks what denomination the JUST ask what can we do.
        Death in the family, more food then you can shake a stick at. Christmas, Thanksgiving or Easter food baskets, gifts and candy.
        Car breaks down money from the fund goes to get it Runing again.
        Children need Coats or boots we collect them new or used and hand them out.
        We knit gloves and hats with matching scarfs. What about the preemie blankets we sew ?
        Our Pastor and deacons take turns sitting long nights, weekends and holidays in the ICU and Emergency rooms of our local Hospital comforting, consoling, listening, praying or just getting coffee for families in need.
        I NEVER once heard any one ask a persons religion or denomination.
        So sir I do hope that Atheists treat Christians as well as Christians treated them..
        We treated them as Christ treated us. With love, care and compassion.

      • abbypatch

        “hope they do not treat Christians the way Christians have treated them”????

        Don’t know any Christian who has treated any LGBT or atheist badly but I see the LGBT community and atheists treating Christians badly all the time and this article just shows the hatred. In fact, I believe the LGBT community is being overrun with other groups that hate Christians as much or as more than they do and this will not stop. It will only get worse unless people wake up and stop the insanity..

      • Jeffrey Lee Pennington

        Whose quote is that, an atheist?

      • smokymtnwudcarvr

        you are correct in your saying , ISIS actually have a belief they stand up for at least , where as atheists don’t know that they are in essence actually worshiping a god , themselves . which is the essence of true satanism . “Do as thou wilt , for that shall be the whole of the law ” And in the newer version of secular paganism , “do as thou wilt as long as you harm not another ” which is Still satanism with a pretty mask on and lots of naked chicks ,worshipping Isis the goddess of egyptians ,AKA Ishtar the goddess of the Babylonians,or Semiramis the goddess of the sumerians.Still worshiping a god just too stupid to realise it .

      • Treefrog

        No, I do NOT need to calm down, what a ignorant thing to say. Blahahahahahaha
        got good laugh out that. “Atheist are nothing like ISIS”. Too funny.

    • Unkie Numbnuts

      ISIS wants to murder you…Kill you off…Atheist’s don’t go around flying planes into in
      buildings occupied by all types of races and religions.

      • Treefrog

        Non believers want to take away our rights and freedoms, just like Isis wants to take away our rights, our freedoms.

    • TittieTwister

  • IndyMason

    Muslims aren’t exactly LGBT friendly, why aren’t they calling for them to be shut down?

    • ScottinVA

      I think we know the answer to that one.
      They don’t want to lose their heads over the subject.

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      • empty pockets

        Yeah…not exactly a display of any courage of their convictions if they hide from those who are actually MURDERING people for just BEING BORN homosexual…or even suspected of it with no proof.

        • AMERICA 111

          No one is born homosexual. It is a choice. BUT, no one should be murdered for making a choice of what to do with their genitals in private as disgusting as it may be….

          • empty pockets

            2-3% of animals are born homosexual or at least completely disinterested in sex with the opposite sex of their species. Humans are part of the animal kingdom and those stats. Humans can also respond to environmental abuses by “becoming” homosexual through conditioning, something not shared by the rest of the animal kingdom, but still not the majority of a very small minority.

            But BEHAVIOR is different. ALL of us choose our behavior. One may be born homosexual yet choose never to practice that behavior just as a sociopath chooses whether or not to give free rein to their tendencies…or priests and such who promise celibacy or married couples who swear to fidelity.

            But I agree with you, behavior that endangers no one but those who CHOOSE to participate in it does not deserve a death penalty from anyone anywhere.

          • Ole SC

            Yep, a kleptomaniac has a propensity to steal but as long as they refrain from it, they do no wrong!!

          • empty pockets

            Exactly.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Oh there’s a gene for that too lol

          • Ole SC

            OK! LOL

          • Ole SC

            Actually there is a mental disorder for that too, Kimmie!!

          • silverbackV

            If “One may be born homosexual, why has science never isolated the homosexual gene? The have isolated genes for blacks, hispanics and whites, but none for homos. Makes my think that it is a behavior and a bad behavior.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Try doing some reading that isn’t on religious sites. In fact scientists have discovered a gene sequence that they believe causes homosexuality.

          • silverbackV

            “That they believe”? No sale Mike. Some scientists promote global warming. Proof Mike, proof. You should do more reading Mike, I suggest the Bible, start in the book of John and read until you get to the book of John again.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Judge not lest you be judged also. Yet he who is without sin cast the first stone!!! Waiting……….

          • AMERICA 111

            Kimmie, how is it that people like you always feel the need to quote Scripture? You know very little about the Bible and God’s plan for life and marriage and related….yet you incessantly feel obligated to quote Scripture? I just don’t get it.

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Kimmie claims to be a “gay Christian” which are two mutually exclusive terms. If she’s an active “gay” person then she’s living in sin without redemption.

          • silverbackV

            Whose judging? We are talking fact here. While you are quoting scripture here, get it right. Christians are not supposed to judge the world, God has already done that. We are supposed to judge other Christian to be certain their words an deeds line up with He who sent us.

            If you are waiting for the first stone, it won’t be coming from here, you have rightly judged yourself.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I’ve read the bible. It contradicts itself in many ways, so no sale. It is only a book, written by man. If you want to say it is the word of god, the onus of proof is on you. Of course your “global warming” jibe shows that you don’t believe facts, only opinions…

          • silverbackV

            Sorry, I believe in facts, just not faulty fact or screwed facts. The Bible was transcribed by men at the inspiration and dictation of the Holy Spirit. I am sorry if you didn’t understand the Bible, it must not have been written to you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            The bible is a book, it has no proofs in it, it is simply a book written by men. If you want to say it is the word of god, the onus of proof is on you. Just like you saying being gay is a choice. If you make the assertion, you are required to prove it. Gay people say it isn’t a choice, if you say it is, you have to prove it, which you can’t. It is like a man telling a pregnant woman what being pregnant feels like… She is experiencing it, so she knows. The man isn’t, so he has no idea. You aren’t gay, so you have no idea if it is a choice or not, you are expressing your opinion, based on what you were told, without actually experiencing yourself. Since you have probably never spoken with a single gay person, ever, you can’t even say that you came by your opinion through real discussion. You can prove no facts, and have given no proofs in all your comments, you simply say that because you said, it’s true. Anything that is asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof. Class dismissed.

          • silverbackV

            Extra credit, you write like a person with a paper behind backing into a forest fire. I know several single homosexuals. They are all single. What planet are you from. Several single homosexuals as you call them have in fact left that lifestyle by way of a faith based program I won’t burden your mind with as you obviously have no faith. If you had faith and had read the Bible as you alleged, it would make perfect sense to you. As I said earlier, the Bible obviously wasn’t written to you.

            Have as good a life as you can.

          • Mike Mitchell

            So they were convinced to “leave the lifestyle”. Good for them! But that doesn’t change the fact that they are STILL homosexuals. Which belies your entire argument that being gay is a choice. As far as the bible being written to me, I was under the impression that it is the word of god and is written to ALL mankind. If this isn’t so, then that means your bible is false. I have no faith because I base my life on fact, not opinion and belief without proof. Fortunately for me, this has allowed me to be very successful and have a wonderful family. My life is very good indeed. From the way you argue, it seems your life is not nearly as blessed…

            Have as good a life as you can following a false prophet.

          • silverbackV

            Mike you are wrong on every point. They have left that life style, do they still have same sex attraction? Yes, do they act on it? No. I was assuming the picture on your posts was you, before and after. I was going to say the after was a great improvement. The Bible is a love letter dictated by God the Holy Spirit to mankind, but unless you have activated the Holy Spirit within you, the Bible will remain an enigma. Enjoy your life while you’ve got it cuz that’s all there is for you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I am wrong on every point? What are you smoking? Trying to be insulting too… How christian of you. You are so full of it that you don’t even realize how stupid you sound. I am personally glad that this life is all I have to worry about, because an afterlife surrounded by close-minded people like you would be a literal hell. And you are even wrong about the bible, it isn’t only understandable to people that “have activated the holy spirit” within themselves. It is meant to be a primer on how to bring god into your life. Do you actually believe the idiocy you are saying? Are you a good representation of your faith? If so, that would a strong indication of why church attendance and religious belief are plummeting. You are part of the problem the church has right now, the people are so misguided in their beliefs that it gives the church a bad name.

          • silverbackV

            And you are still wrong on every point. What is your study guide? Huffing ton Post? When you put a bad apple into a bushel, the good apples do not make the bad apple good, the bad apple actually degrades the good apples. That is what is happening in our churches. People of no faith, morals or directIon simply out produce the good people on the off spring arena. They have nothing productive in their lives so they reproduce indiscriminately and pollute the gene pool. Their less than stellar offspring degrade the offspring of the responsible parents. I certainly hope that you and your partner chose not to try to adopt children. Don’t get mad at me that the Bible wasn’t written to you, be unhappy with yourself. You could change that.

          • AMERICA 111

            You would think if this were true that every “gay” person on the planet would be shouting this from the highest mountain….but it’s not, and no one screams it. Case closed.

          • gooseman

            Uh…no. The HGP has not isolated a gene or gene sequence “causes” homosexuality. They can show you hair, eye, and skin colors. Downs Syndrome and a bunch of other birth defects, check. “gay gene” not so much. They have shown a correlation of the addiction centers of the brain and homosexuality, and there is a gene sequence that indicates a predisposition toward additive traits, however. Which means it’s as controllable as alcoholism, drug addiction etc. It’s just an loathsome aberrant sexual deviation, like necrophilia, zoophilia and pedophilia, and just as grotesque. It amazes me how anyone with any brain thinks wave of evil that is behind the “gay mafia” will stop with that perversion and not start backing those others as what is normal, meaning they will keep trying to make straight people be classified as abnormal.

          • empty pockets

            So…”born”.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Oh is there a straight gene? Moronic.

          • AMERICA 111

            I would not call it a gene….but God’s way to keep society alive. “Gay,” is the end of civilization as we know it. #nobabies

          • silverbackV

            Dear Moronic, a straight gene would be uncorrupted, one that is as it should be. Think about changing your name.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Think about changing my name? Is that a threat?

          • empty pockets

            It is a “behavior”, like many other behaviors stemming from other mental disorders. They aren’t “crazy” but do have “wiring” that differs from the norm. Perhaps we will find the genetic trigger/switch for this behavior in the future as we’ve discovered a few others. Or perhaps the “progressives” will win and succeed in dividing us so completely that they gain their final complete control…and we get to be communists/socialists with stagnancy that “discovers” nothing…but equal misery.

          • silverbackV

            The trigger, as some have postulated, could be events in our formative years. I can see how that could happen, but I also feel it can be overcome. We are all born with predispositions, we all have problems of one sort or another and we need help to not succumb to temptation.

          • empty pockets

            When homosexuality (and the B’s and Ts) were identified by the progressive left as the next recipient of their “victim group” designation with a target of giving them “protected” status, homosexuality was removed from the psychiatric diagnostic manual.

            The progs also changed “homosexual” to the less descriptive and accurate, “gay”. Sounds better and loses the sexual imagery allowing them to change the conversation and claim it’s about “love”.

            Yes, all are born with proclivities (including talents, gifts) as burdens and challenges to be overcome as our soul/spirit reaches instinctively for our Source, the Creator.

            Have a blessed Easter…you and all who know…He is risen!

          • silverbackV

            HE HAS RISEN! And offers salvation to all that can resist their proclivities and believe on him.

            Be grateful!

          • Kimmie Collier

            Why has science never proved you are straight via your so called gene theory? CHRISTIANS HAVE NO RIGHT to judge anyone. EVER. READ THE GOOD BOOK.

          • silverbackV

            Science doesn’t have to. Heterosexual is the natural order. Any other way is unnatural. Read my previous post to you on judging, get YOUR act right. The ONLY good book is the Bible, yes! I have read it several times. It is very clear and straight forward if it was written to you.

          • John Richardson

            EMPTY POCKETS,AS A KID I HAD THE SHT BEAT OUT OF ME BY MY ABUSIVE FATHER.DID I TURN HOMOSEXUAL?HELL NO,.IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH MY ANGER . ANIMALS ARE NOT BORN HOMOSEXUAL THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN ABILITY TO THINK ,TO DO THAT, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY.THAT IS WHY IT IS A LEARNED AND CONSCIENCE CHOICE.SOCIAPATHY IS A BRAIN MALFUNCTION.A PERSON WHO IS BEAT ALL THE TIME USUALLY TURNS OUT TO BE PSCHOTIC.I TAKE MYSELF,I HAD THE SHT BEAT OUT OF ME BY MY SO CALLED FATHER THEN I DID TWO TOURS IN NAM IN THE MARINE CORPS.I CAME HOME A MESS.NOW, I CONSIDER MYSELF ANTISOCIAL,WHICH I AM. I DO NOT LIKE BEING AROUND PEOPLE, AT ALL.I AM A RECLUSE.THIS IS NO LIFE AT ALL BUT, I DONT CHOOSE TO GO OUT AND HURT OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE I AM MAD.I HAVE LEARNED TO HANDLE MY ANGER AND LIFE BY NOT CHOOSING TO DO DUMB THINGS.I THINK THIS IS A CHOICE IN LIFE. HOMOSEXUALS ARE VERY CONFUSED PEOPLE.THEY HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING A CHOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD CONSTANTLY THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY.I HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY ALL TURNED OUT EDUCATED BECAUSE I STOOD UP AND BECAME THE FATHER, MINE WAS NOT I WAS VERY HARD ON THEM ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES AND TO STAND UP FOR THE RIGHT THINGS.. I AM A MARINE AND MARINES NEVER LEAVE A MAN BEHIND.I PRAY FOR ALL MANKIND.BECAUSE I EXPECT THAT OF MYSELF.IT IS EASTER THANK GOD FOR WHAT WE DO HAVE.AT LEAST WE ARE NOT IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY

          • empty pockets

            Yelling at people is rude. I don’t converse with rude people but you say you are a Marine so I will respond and thank you for your service.

            Rather than repeat myself even more, please read my replies to to others (above) who also are wrongly thinking that a proclivity is the same as a behavior. The DESIRE to do something is not the same thing as DOING it. God gave each of us free will but with no guarantee we would use it wisely. That is the challenge He gave us all.

            May you have a blessed Easter, John.

          • AMERICA 111

            Thank you for your service, Sir! Semper Fi.

          • tnetcenter

            No person or animal is born Homosexual! There isn’t a shred of any kind of proof that homosexuality is anything other than a behavior unless you take mental diseases into consideration. Behavior can be changed, genetics can not! Mental disorders can be treated, genetics can not. Homosexuals can change their behavior, if it was genetic, they would NOT be able to do that!

            If you have ANY legitimate proof to the contrary, cough it up.

          • Mike Mitchell

            There isn’t a shred of evidence to support a genetic link to depression, anxiety or heart disease, so obviously they are behavioral issues… No genetic link to autism either, so obviously people choose to be autistic. I almost forgot, cancer too, so its a choice. Behavioral issues are not linked to genetics, but to the way each individual’s brain functions, their “wiring” so to speak. You need to look at all science, not just the bits and pieces that you cherry-pick to support your views.

          • empty pockets

            You are conflating the naturally occurring proclivity/defect with the behavior when the two do not necessarily go together…for humans. Men can and do have sex with other men even though neither may be homosexual. All it takes is at least one of them being “horny” enough to “use” anyone. Women can and do as well.

            Homosexuality WAS considered a mental disorder until progressive political correctness (rather than increased knowledge or science) made them remove it from their diagnostic materials. Homosexual BEHAVIOR (i.e…sex) is a behavior, a choice just as sex is a choice for anyone…including you. Nor is everyone attracted to the same “look”, the same ideal.

            True, homosexuals can change their behavior just as people with phobias and other mental “miswirings” can change their behavior. Overcoming our shortcomings, our defects is part of maturing the good way.

            We’ve no control over any part of the circumstances of our birth…not our parents, or place or time or…anything. Nor do we get to choose which defects will be ours to overcome. But we all have them. Most are considered “normal” because they don’t significantly interfere with survival of the species and are not rare and are manageable (like needing glasses). Homosexuality, if it were “normal”, would be a majority and would guarantee the demise of the species. Natural but not normal. They are not the same thing just as homosexuality and homosexual behavior are not the same thing. ONE of those things…the BEHAVIOR, is a choice.

          • AMERICA 111

            Proclivity/defect? Once again, sick em Kimmie Collier!!!

          • Ranchman

            How in the world can anybody tell if an animal is interested in sex or not?!? How in the world can you determine that a dog was “born gay?!?” Wow, you’re throwing around some totally laughable opinions as fact, just like global warming junk scientists!! American Christians are tired of being blamed for all your troubles. Find some other scapegoat to blame your misery on, we’re done with ya.

          • empty pockets

            “Ranchman” all hat no cattle…and a pitiful Christian if your comment is reflective of your “loving demeanor”…You’ve apparently led an extremely parochial, citified life. Not all bulls are “interested” in cows nor stallions interested in mares. But they also don’t try to mount another bull or stallion. Humans are the species that adds behavior to a naturally occurring, though relatively rare defect.

            Being born with a defect–physical or mental–is not a “sin”. Each of us are held accountable for our own choices, our own actions. Until political correctness made bigger liars and cheats and con men/women out of an increasing number of people, homosexuality was considered by the psychiatric branch of medicine to be a mental disorder. Political correctness changed its designation rather than knowledge or science. Another corruption of truth.

            But hey! We agree that “man caused” global warming/cooling/change/chaos is a money grubbing socialist wealth redistribution/control scheme based on the flimsiest of junk science.

          • Kyright

            It’s interesting how anti-Christians are always lecturing Christians about being “Christian”. How do you feel about Muslims, or Hindus? If they disagree with your opinion do you lecture them on their religious beliefs? Global Warmin BS is the religion of the Libs. They are an arrogant, narcissitic group of misfits that think their place on this earth is powerful and makes such a impact, when in reality, in our Universe, we are fleas on an elephant’s butt.

          • empty pockets

            So pointing out that saying, “we’re done with ya” isn’t actually “loving” or Christ-like is lecturing and anti-Christian in your little world? That was my only mention of Christianity so that must be it.

            The rest of your comment seems to be replying to a different comment on a different article. Anyway…sorry you feel so insignificant. God loves you and you’re important to Him…even if you are the equivalent of “a flea on an elephant’s butt”. Be well..bye…

          • Kimmie Collier

            Read a book lol. People have been born gay for thousands of years. Including about 13 popes. Hmmmm never mind the pedophiles. But they are godly. BAAA HAAA Haa haa. Morons. Get an updated education and your comments might lend more believability.

          • Ole SC

            There are plenty crooked and criminal Preachers too but that don’t make it moral!!! BAAA HAA Haa haa!! Idiot

          • AMERICA 111

            It is 2015. Science is as far today as any time in human history. Not one shred of evidence that anyone is born “gay” scientifically. It is a choice that people have been making for thousands of years.

          • AMERICA 111

            So let me get this straight….you are calling being “born gay” a defect? A relatively rare defect?????????? Sick em KImmie Collier!

          • AMERICA 111

            I would like to add an “AMEN” to this one…..good point!

          • pdh42

            God did not make anyone homosexual as that is a choice that an individual makes in life…. Homosexual activity just like all sin will bring about the death penalty if one does not change before their last breath and thought here on earth….

          • empty pockets

            BEHAVIOR is a choice. Ideas…proclivities…nope.

          • Ole SC

            That’s my view also, I think the Homosexual craze is only a fad and revolution similar to the 60’s free sex days when young defiant kids wanted to go wild with their sex and drugs without criticism and shame. Now it’s the degenerate and perverted groups that want homosexuality to be viewed as normal and without criticism and want to silence anyone that points that out. There is nothing normal about it and it shouldn’t be viewed as normal. If they would keep it to themselves and stop making a big deal out of it, the rest of us wouldn’t bother with it…..just saying!

          • feduppianoman

            The way progressives characterize Christians today you’d think they are finally freeing themselves from Christian tyranny, the worst in the history of man. When in reality they didn’t even pay attention to Christians before 2008 when Obama gave the green light to this whole stinking mess.

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          • Ole SC

            Absolutely correct!

          • Di Mar

            The whole idea is to divide and conquer the US from within and promote every vile thing that a moral society despises- all in the name of tolerance.

          • dhtousley

            Boy are you stupid

          • Ole SC

            Don’t think so but if you are a so called Homosexual, you may be!!

          • Boatswas

            It’s not a fad, it’s a perversion. And, about the same percentage of folks are “addicted to” all kinds of perversions, as ever. Homosexuality is practiced / claimed by about 3.5% of any given population – pretty much the same as ever.

            Interestingly enough, that’s also about the same amount of perverts who are child abusers, wife (spouse) beaters, murderers… anything that is a perversion of God’s word (and nature).

          • Ole SC

            It’s definitely a perversion but I still believe it’s a fad. A perversion that can be controlled with a bit of will power…IMO

          • Kimmie Collier

            Moronic stupidity and ignorance serves you well. I will pray for you.

          • Ole SC

            Who are you going to pray to?

          • no more mr. nice guy

            Exactly!

          • Di Mar

            With a comment like that, it is probably no god, or a god that is picked through for the parts that agree with their thinking…in other words, they ultimately are their own god….

          • Ole SC

            It’s probably “The Universe” since that appears to be the new god for Fruits to worship now. Apparently they think that The Universe is what made them the deviant, perverted, screwed up mess that they are.

          • Di Mar

            Read Roman’s 1. I seriously doubt God would agree with your assessment.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Uneducated morons. Read a history book about all the gay popes lol

          • AMERICA 111

            I sense you are frustrated without a good answer so you are taking a typical “gaystapo” routine and just lambaste everyone that disagrees with what Kimmie thinks?

          • Boatswas

            Just because someone in a high position indulges in an activity / fetish / perversion that the people he is supposed to represent and lead are morally opposed to – that doesn’t mean the “leader” is right.

          • Di Mar

            I would think it would be higher now than it was even a decade ago because of the indoctrination in the school system and the promotion of it. Many like to be part of the current fad and ‘hip’….to our country’s demise.

          • Boatswas

            Acceptance of it is higher now, but most folks don’t want to rub bellies with someone of the same sex. The VAST majority are appalled by it – but, they’re indoctrinated into thinking that it’s normal and that folks are born that way… and, they don’t want to be labelled as “homophobes”, even though it’s disgust, not fear, that they feel.

          • Christians Love

            Boatswas: Indoctrination is teaching kids to parrot old assumptions, Education is teaching them how to think for themselves by learning the scientific method, starting with evidence and then working to a conclusion. There is a great deal of evidence biology is the cause of sexual orientation.
            Even the unscientific gay-curing therapists who start from your assumptions, have come to realize sexual orientation is not a choice. They blame childhood traumas.
            And as far as the “ick” factor, now you know how gays must feel about having straight sex. So, stop wallowing in your disgust and recognize the fact: not everyone is a mere extension of you. They are individuals who deserve respect as full human beings.

          • Boatswas

            You’d think so… but, getting people to accept a perversion is not the same as getting them to participate.

          • Christians Love

            A Christian fellow who believed as you did went underground for a year, living as if he was a gay man (without the sex part). His book is very illuminating.

          • Edsword

            Except, the 60s never went away. We just accepted those perversions as a society. That is why we are here today.

          • Ole SC

            No doubt about it!!!

          • Di Mar

            They aren’t content with their ‘special class’ status. They insist on it being promoted and lifted up as exemplary behavior, while demonizing Christianity.

            Their parades are vile just as the TV awards have become with their Satanic promotions.

          • Ole SC

            They want their lifestyle to be viewed as “normal” which it is not and never will be, but that don’t dissuade them from trying to get Government to force us by law to accept it as normal. Well, I for one will not participate in that scam.

          • Di Mar

            It isn’t normal that is why it has to be legislated and promoted in schools while everything moral is demonized.

            Yep, the days of deception are here and will only be getting worse. It is sad to think of how many homosexuals actually believe not catering to their lifestyle is hate and to know they may end up in hell( God will have mercy on who he wants… and only he judges unto salvation) and remember how many times they were told it isn’t genetic and they chose to believe the lie.

            I may lose my head over this but fear of man is a snare. I live for Christ and I know I don’t hate the homosexuals. I have family members that are homosexuals. I love them and keep them in prayer.

          • Ole SC

            I agree and that’s what I was trying to explain to the other guy that was accusing me of hating Homosexuals. It’s just as a Christian I don’t care what he does or who he does it with but we Christians don’t want to be a part of it. As far as if he goes to Hell, that will be between he and God and if he does, it’s a matter of being the High Price of Low Living and that it’s his decision to make.

          • Christians Love

            If you think sexual orientation is a choice, just try changing yours. And getting to know actual LGBT people is what caused people to understand and accept. Self-segregated folks like you don’t get it because LGBT people are alien to you. You know as much about them as you do about creatures from Uranus.

          • Ole SC

            Actually I have friends that are Lesbians and have friends that are Gay, but I still believe it is a choice.

          • rockcut

            There are many includng scientific studies that would not agree with you. However, by all means keep your view.

          • tnetcenter

            There are NO legitimate scientific studies that prove homosexuality is anything other than a learned behavior. If you know of one, post the link to it.

          • rockcut
          • rockcut
          • tnetcenter

            Seriously?? You’re going to quote The Guardian??? I said LEGITIMATE sources! Huff-po is a liberal biased propaganda rag, ScienceMag is a joke as well. NONE of these “sources” are legitimate – they either practice pseudo-science or promote pseudo-science. Either way, they are ALL a joke and an insult to legitimate scientists.

            Try again!

          • Mike Mitchell

            You simply say that all science that disagrees with you is fake. The universe doesn’t care whether or not you believe in it, so you prove yourself to be a religion centric fool.

          • Herb1949

            Actually, it is more of taking a look at what nature made and using good sense to see that this is not the natural way of things.
            Homosexuals cannot even recreate their kind, especially males(?)

          • empty pockets

            The difference between “natural” and “normal”…the former happens the latter happens and contributes to the survival of the species.

            Homosexuality is natural…not normal.

          • AMERICA 111

            Please, by all means, please share with me ONE study that shows this from anyone of any credence whatsoever. That would not include Cracker Jack box prizes FYI….

          • rockcut

            To claim as you do, that there is no evidence or studies suggesting a bio. link to hoosexualality is just plain wrong. To mock with the Cracker Box crack shows me that you seem
            intimidated

          • John Richardson

            AMERICA 111,IM WITH YOU TOO.

          • Kimmie Collier

            AMERICA 111 hmmm scared to have a real name??? In the closet HUH.

          • AMERICA 111

            Name is Abe, Kimmie. Honest Abe. Thank you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            You obviously know nothing of biology or neurology. When will religious people understand that being gay is NOT a choice. It’s the way your brain is wired. You are either gay, or you are not. You don’t “become” gay. Your statement is like saying that a car has a choice of whether it will be a ford or a chevy.

          • Herb1949

            Being homosexual may, or may not, be a choice, but engaging in homosexual activity IS.

          • empty pockets

            You don’t choose whether or not to be homosexual (though repeated sexual abuse at a young age can damage a psyche enough to cause a “break”)

            You DO choose whether or not to act on that proclivity. BEHAVIOR is a choice. Whether or not to have sex, the where, how and with whom are all CHOICES…not “hard wired”. I have a strong urge to smack willfully ignorant people upside the head…but that would be a choice, and I refrain.

            I will not use “gay” because progressives have stolen a perfectly good general use word from all of us to hide the “SEX” in homo-SEX-uality. It was a marketing ploy. If there is”nothing wrong with it” as we’re told, then why HIDE it behind a word that has nothing to do with it. If you’re homosexual, it IS a naturally occurring defect affecting a small percentage of people. If your BEHAVIOR is homosexual, that is personal choice.

            For example…what makes a man a homosexual is a proclivity to be attracted to other men rather than the opposite sex. But every man who experiences that kind of attraction does NOT act on it.

            If they did, there would be even MORE homosexuals being thrown off of buildings, stoned or beheaded in sharia compliant countries.

          • Mike Mitchell

            We’ll just come right to basics on this then…. If they choose to act on their proclivities, then it is because god wants them too. Everything happens according to god’s plan, remember? So they are following god’s will and you are wrong to disapprove of them.

            Now, if you say they aren’t following god’s will, that means that god created them incorrectly, he made a mistake. That means he isn’t omnipotent, and he isn’t god….

          • AMERICA 111

            And what hat did you pull this opinion out of there Mike? Please, show me one study, one doctor, one hospital, one test, one anything that scientifically says someone is born “gay.” I’ll wait here for your reply.

          • Mike Mitchell
          • AMERICA 111

            Wow, that looks really official. Settles the “decades long debate” as quoted. While the headline looks really cool to your thought, I think if you read all the way to the end you may find this:

            “However, the announcement is unlikely to be met with great acclaim in the LGBT community, with Samantha Allen at The Daily Beast pointing to the murky history of conclusive evidence for any genetic causation.

            She
            writes: “If it’s hard to get excited about these studies, it’s because,
            at this point, biological explanations for homosexuality are like
            iPhones—a new one comes out every year.”

            Sorry Mike. Try something else.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I never said it was a conclusive study, but it is furthering knowledge. You discount it because it disagrees with you. You have made up your mind and nothing will change it. That makes you the problem, not the solution. Fortunately you are in the minority, and a pretty powerless one at that, so keep you beliefs and the rest of the world will chug right along without you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Obviously you have never spoken to a single gay person in your life. I know dozens of them, and without fail, every one of them was attracted to the same sex from the first time they realized that boys and girls had “different parts”. For most of them, this was around the age of 4. Only one pair I know is related. The rest had straight siblings, raised under the exact same circumstances that they were.

          • dhtousley

            It’s not a choice, you are so ignorant

          • Ole SC

            I’m assuming that you are a male, and if so you were created with male equipment and it is your choice as to how you use it and who you use it with.

          • Kimmie Collier

            Are you a professor??? Doctor??? Of moronology perhaps hmm.

          • AMERICA 111

            Once again, someone disagrees with Kimmie and she calls them names. Is that the best you have? How about something factual….stay on point, take your meds, and focus?

          • Christians Love

            If you believe it is a choice, there is a simple way to find out. Wake up tomorrow and choose to be gay for a year. Write a book about it. Tell us all how you were able to choose to be a homosexual and do those things you currently find so disgusting.

          • no more mr. nice guy

            Until they try to force it on everyone else claiming that being against coercion is discrimination.

          • Reality is; they don’t keep it private they flaunt it in their parades..It is a common theme in television to see two men at it.. and yes disgusting it is!

          • Di Mar

            Judgement is left to God.

        • Dennis

          Speaking of no proof, how do you know anyone is “born homosexual”?

          • empty pockets

            I have known several homosexuals. One was a very good friend who was engaged to be married to a woman (with whom he was still good friends). He simply was not sexually attracted to her though he was attracted to her bother (whom he left strictly alone). I’ve known others and history records that some men married for heirs but found their “pleasure” with other males. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until political correctness Marxism rewrote the book to suit the agenda. Side note: I wonder when sociopaths will become a protected class and have their mental disorder removed from the book, too. Or psychopaths….

            Farmers and ranchers I have known say that a small percentage of bulls and stallions refuse to breed with females in heat. That is NOT normal behavior for those animals…unless they were born that way. Breeding when in the vicinity of a female of the species in estrus is a “must do” for them. It is a defect occurring rarely but like Turret’s syndrome…it happens.

          • Dennis

            Although your argument is compelling, it is still anecdotal evidence and doesn’t constitute proof. Sorry.

          • empty pockets

            You dismiss my independent “research” yet likely embrace the same kind of “research” conducted by people getting gov’t grants to produce desired results.

            There is no “proof” of many mental disorders, yet we accept their existence because we SEE the people with them and the distress it causes them.

            Your choice to be a “Doubting Thomas”. We need those, too, but perhaps your eyes have lost a bit of their film on this issue.

            I wish you well.

        • Walter Gatlin

          A Homosexual society has NEVER in the history of the world succeeded and neither will it succeed here in America. When the wood burns the embers will glow and the light shall diminish in time.

        • Di Mar

          Read the bible….the one Obama acknowledged we weren’t reading nor does he have any concept of.

          In Romans 1 God tells us he has given the homosexual over to a debased mind.

          I believe in God. I believe His word. Don’t be deceived nor conformed to this world….it is perishing.

      • Linda F.

        They also don’t want to be blown up or tortured.

      • David Riley

        Or other body parts…

      • john_koenig

        It goes beyond that…the gays hate Christianity every bit as much as the Muslims do…maybe more.

        • rockcut

          What an overreaching meaningless statement that gays hate Christianity.

          • john_koenig

            The truth hurts…

          • rockcut

            The come back is weak and meaningless coming from you/

          • tnetcenter

            Not nearly as WEAK and MEANINGLESS as your comments.

          • tnetcenter

            I’ve seen NO evidence to the contrary. I have yet to hear ANY homosexuals condemning the attacks on the pizzeria owners for expressing their Constitutionally protected rights to Free Speech and Religious Expression. That hardly makes the statement either meaningless OR overreaching. Instead, homosexuals are lining up making death threats and disparaging remarks ALL because a “reporter” asked a loaded question and got an honest response.

            You’re all a bunch of hypocrites!

            I hope the authorities take EVERY one of those threats and track down the guilty parties and PROSECUTE them to the fullest extent of the law. Death threats are illegal!

            In comparison, you won’t find a single true Christian making ANY threats against homosexuals let alone death threats!

            Homosexuals are MILITANT ANTI-CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS. There may be a few that aren’t, but they aren’t saying anything either so by default they approve the senseless attacks also.

            If the militant jihadists don’t trigger a civil war in the USA, the homosexuals are certainly trying to do so! They should be very careful, they may just get what they want!

          • rockcut

            You have walked far into the woods with this latest rant and I will not follow you down the path of speculation and assumption. You will have to walk into the darkness yourself.

          • tnetcenter

            Why would I want to go into the darkness that you inhabit? I stand in the light – the cleansing light of GOD.

            I know you can’t say the same thing.

          • rockcut

            ONLY YOU !!! What a pompus ass statement concluded with thinking you know anythg about me. Thanks for the chuckles.

          • tnetcenter

            I certainly didn’t say that I’m the ONLY one standing in the light! In fact, all real Christians stand in the light.

            You should be careful who you call a pompous ass, that sort of thing has a tendency to come around and bite you when you least expect it!

          • rockcut

            You should brush up on your reading skills. I said it was a “Pompous ass statement. I did not call call you a pompus ass.

          • tnetcenter

            Not directly anyway. It’s the implication. That may be beyond your comprehension skills though.

          • rockcut

            You are so weak with your put downs. My comprehension skills are fine for I see right thru your posts !!

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            And your actions speak highly of your fruits, be not high minded…

          • rockcut

            Will you please that in English. Your post makes no sense.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            And you somehow think that when you say “Will you please that in English” I am to understand you . This might be your problem, you are simply off in the head.

          • Forever wild

            I am sure rockcut doesn’t expect you to understand him. From reading your comments I gather you do not understand much of anything.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Seven days later you reply… Do you need some more time to think about this or is this your final answer?

          • Forever wild

            I’m not in you internet freaks league. I like to give my computer a rest
            You just stay on line and get your thrill, belittling someone.

          • RichardLW

            You sound like someone who likes the sound of their own voice, regardless of how hollow and meaningless the statements are.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Do you hear voices when I type too?

          • RichardLW

            No, that’s just you. You’re the only one.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            So you can hear my voice? Go get your tin foil cap and put it back on!

          • Dennis

            Slow down, take a deep breath, consider your thoughts, then type.

          • ronslim

            Tent I have no of of knowing the truth about you yet your words draw the picture of an atheist doing a Christian parody. If that is not your intent perhaps you should retire to the prayer closet for a bit.

          • Dennis

            Is not a “pompous ass statement” the equivalent of “a statement made by a pompous ass”? I believe you are trying to pick the flysh!t out of the pepper on that one, if you don’t mind my saying so.

          • career desperado

            Thank you for standing up for Christianity. This LBGT movement is vile, evil, aggressive and well organized. As difficult as it it is for me is that I have to pray for them since the unquenchable fires of hell are for eternity.

          • Sansa

            Remember when christians burnt homosexual people at the stake? Remember where the hateful term “faggot” comes from? Do you see why people are living christianity? It’s because christianity is hateful and morally flawed. People are getting tired of the glorfication of morally questionable mythology. And mythology because many of the stories found in he bible were taken from older mythology such as that of the Sumerians.

            Christians are so hateful and love to play the victim card for not having the right to burn people alive anymore.

          • Ali Owens

            You are hilarious. Also, a rather vile human being. Christianity doesn’t need “standing up for” – it already holds too much power in the U.S. I say, we’d all be a lot better off if churches had to pay taxes like everyone else. Perhaps then, more people would actually think for themselves instead of buying into this hateful, contemptuous bullshit.

          • tnetcenter

            I know enough about you to know that you are not a Christian. That’s obvious and for the purposes of this discussion that is all that is needed.

          • rockcut

            I am shocked how wrong your powers of observation are claiming I am not a Christian. Your assumption is insulting to me since I have been a praticing Christian all my life ! You sure leap right out there with your assumptions and the splash right back in your face.

          • tnetcenter

            The Bible says to judge them not by their words but by their actions. I haven’t seen anything in your actions to indicate that you are a Christian. You’re on this discussion supporting homosexuals and their lifestyle – something NO real Christian would do. Actions speak louder than words. Just look at Obama for a perfect example of that!

          • rockcut

            You sure have limted observation skills. I am not supporting homosexuals and their lifestyle. I am said not one word to that effect. What I have brought up is my believe that there is more to this issue than just the view it is choice only. For you to jump from my view to claim I am not a Christian is absurd !! You sure mis-interrupt a lot !!!

          • laughnow

            problem with your argument is that gay anything is a choice only. Paul is very clear in Romans 1 26-27 that homosexuality is a choice, and that judgment will come to them because they didnt like to retain God in their knowledge. Your entire argument about there being more than one view is entirely wrong, and tnetcenters observations, spot on. How can you say you are a Christian, when you dont agree with what the Word says on the subject? Dont you get that any other opinion on this except what is written in the Word of God, is wrong? Let God be true, and every man, a liar.

          • Di Mar

            I didn’t see your response prior to posting. It is good to see that there are a few of us that still read the bible and take God’s word as His truth.

          • rockcut

            I personally find the claiom gay is always a choice as weak. There has to be a better sciencfific explanation. Sorry, our good Savior and God gave us all free will and the ability to think and I am exercision that gift. Sorry I am not a lock step guy as it appeare you are with how you responded. I am a Christian and have always been a Christian. I see things a bit differently that you do. However, I do not approve of homosexual acts, nor will I ever approve of them. However, I will not let those who say they are deeply religious use their christianity to deny any lawful rights to any gay that they have under the Constitution of the United States. I hope I have made myself clear !!!!

          • Follow God and rise up

            So you follow man’s ways over God’s. Man can’t serve two masters. Just because man wrote it in a Constitution that has gone to crap doesn’t mean the Bible, which has been attacked, is crap. You need to pick one way. Either listen to God’s words or follow man’s lies and wickedness. Please choose wisely.

          • rockcut

            Well, I can chew gum and walk at the same time. No need to choose what you are presenting. My Christianity is my guiding force but I live like you live in this world. I also defend against you thikin gthe Constitution has gone to crap.

          • Larry Mccoy

            it’s not gone too crap yet but it’s heading in that direction especially with obama regime

          • Nikolle

            What are you saying then?? No true Christian can say the gays have rights?? They do you know. I agree with rockcut that while I do not condone their acts and see it as sin BUT do they not have the same rights we do under the law?? And is this not what a lot of these people see from the so called church now a days?? Listen, if Gays want to have the same right as us fine. Just as long as they give us the same respect. What is God’s way in your eyes?? Christ dined with Sinners and extended love and salvation to those considered the “dogs” of His day. The only ones He had a problem with were the religous leaders!!!!!! How can you show compassion to another person and deny them equal rights?? People don’t have to be right for this to be the case. They just have to be fellow humans trying to make their way in this world. Do I agree?? Of course not!!!!!!!! Would I deny them the right to choose their way?? Absolutely NOT!!!!! Rockcut is absolutely right when he says that he/she wouldn’t allow religous to use Christianity to deny gays the right to any law we have under the Constitution. No, Man cannot serve 2 Masters. But you assume because one wants freedom for all they do not serve Christ?? How can this be?? Perhaps you need to take another look at the Word of God. Just because we may not agree with them doesn’t mean we should not fight for what is only good and right. Sadly, churches anymore only take a stand for themselves. I am opposed them shutting the churches down but I DO believe they need to have what is due them under the laws of our Constitution. Do you even realize that in saying and doing such things we only come off to them as a bunch of hateful bigots and thus sear an image of our Lord into their minds as being the same way?? Do you wish to be right or do you wish to love people and in so doing win them to the Lord??

          • GetAware

            So true. Too many apostate TV money changers teaching prosperity instead of Scripture.

            All the Rick Warren, Joel Osteen new age wolves saying all roads lead to heaven. Utter nonsense.

          • RichardLW

            Rather stick to the laws.

            The bible demands us to murder people.

            “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” Leviticus 20:13

          • robert

            If at some point you had to chose not to be gay that would mean that you are in the closet

          • Dennis

            Which means what exactly?

          • GetAware

            I disagree.
            Sodomy is a behavior, an act.
            If you don’t commit it, you do not practice it, thus you are not labeled as such.

          • Christians Love

            Paul knew nothing of “homosexuality” a modern medical concept derived from scientific evidence.

          • Matt

            homosexuality was practiced in Corinth, although there were much worse things going on, so it’s hard to tell if his rebukes were aimed at homosexuality specifically. English translations use the word homosexuality, but original Greek could have been translated several ways..it seemed to the translators homosexuality was the most consistent with the rest of the Bible. What Christians need to do is really look at the Greek, and look at marriage. There are 2 big key points: 1). The Greek only certainly says that premarital sex is wrong, and then men followed lustfully after other men; and that God smited Sodom for it’s wicked sexual acts–which may or may not contain homosexuality.
            2). Modern-day marriage is not biblical marriage. The definition of marriage is this: a man coming together with a woman to honor Jesus Christ.
            Key words: Honor Jesus Christ. We didn’t stop honoring Jesus Christ when homosexuals got to marry. We stopped honoring Jesus Christ when we allowed pocketbooks to the marriage altars instead of true devoted followers of Jesus. In other words, as long as people had money to pay for a wedding, we allowed it, even if they had never been to church and never stepped foot in one afterwards.
            However, to the homosexuals–there are plenty of weddings that cater to your preferences–even churches! I don’t understand why you need to force a church that does not follow your preference to cater to your wedding. It is usually very easy nowadays to find LGBT friendly churches that will allow you to marry each other. My sister just got married, and there was nothing about Jesus in the marriage (to the dismay of some). If your motive is having the same rights as everyone else to get married, you already have that. if your motive is to redefine the Bible, then we need to have different discussions.

          • GetAware

            Amen.

          • RichardLW

            “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” Leviticus 20:13

          • James

            it is true that some of the writers of the Bible were anti-gay. God, however, is not anti-gay. God does not hate any of God’s children. Please let go of your hate and do as Jesus taught – treat others as you would want to be treated. The doctrine of inerrancy elevates a man-made creation, the Bible, to the status of an idol. God alone should be worshipped, not a book created by human beings.

          • Di Mar

            A Christian can’t pick and choose what they want to accept of God’s word.

            God said in Romans, “Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who
            exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the
            creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise
            also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their
            lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and
            receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who,knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

            So, anyone who approves of those who practice these things (more than sodomy is listed) is deserving of death.

            God said he gave them over to a debased mind. He didn’t say he gave them over to their genetic defect.

            Christians aren’t to be conformed to the world. Don’t be deceived and by into the lie nor the father of all lies and then call yourself a Christian. Christian’s follow Christ. I think God knows the reason for homosexuality.

          • rockcut

            I see your mind is not flexable to chew gum and walk at the same time. I have never supported,nor will I support homosexual

          • rockcut

            behavior ever. Hope that eases your mind. But, I will not stand by and see others used the justification of their beliefs to deny any constitutional protection that all American have including homosexuals.

          • BradenLynch

            Homosexuals have the same rights and protections as all Americans. They just don’t like their choice being limited to the opposite sex. Boo hoo!

            Of course, we have a bunch of other conditions on marriage such as of age, consensual, not directly related, one spouse at a time, and opposite sex. Why? Because that is what makes for the best environment for the raising of children and the continuation of the human race. It is deserving of great respect and awe and homosexuality which is a biological dead end and a lousy male-female role model for any adopted children should not be promoted.

            So, drop the stupid argument about equality. They already have it.
            If you disagree, please explain why we don’t grant such equality to the pedophiles, beastiality advocates, necrophiles, polygamists, and every other perversion.

          • rockcut

            I am sure the Surpreme Court will not agree with your conclusions.

          • Christians Love

            Supreme Court watchers predict a 6-3 ruling in favor of marriage equality. Scalia and Thomas said that SCOTUS tipped its hand when it allowed so many states to wed same-sex couples during the appeal to the top court.

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            they are not Christ, nor did they form his church. ONlY the current laws of this land.

          • rockcut

            I never said they did, but I respect the decisions of the Court. That is how our system works?

          • GetAware

            EXACTLY, thank you!

          • Di Mar

            I think your comment is cut off or I just don’t understand it.

            Homosexuals can have their ‘marriage’ catered. They just seek out a Christian establishment and demand the owner’s beliefs be tossed aside, their business shut down, for refusing to cater to something that is an abomination to God- and has always been to a moral society.

            As previously stated, God says he has given them over to their debased mind….not that he made them that way and are genetically defective. God has a list of sins he tells us not to be deceived about thinking we can practice them and be saved. Homosexuality is just part of sexual immorality. There is not 1 sin listed based on genetics, but all have to do with the flesh.

            Homosexuals aren’t being denied anything because of their lifestyle. These businesses still serve them daily. The line becomes marriage. Why? Because their eternal fate is sealed once they die. We care about them. God wants us to show them love for he died for the whole world.

            I know in their thinking this is hate, but they are being showed so much love. Satan is glad….but God is not.

          • RichardLW

            Satan is also glad you are not following God’s law by killing those that work on the Sabbath and the adulterers.

            “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” Leviticus 20:13

            Why do you insist on doing Satan’s work by ignoring God?

          • Bunny

            ►A Christian can’t pick and choose what they want to accept of God’s word.◄

            Although MANY do.

          • GetAware

            True, there are many lukewarm Churchians that call themselves “Christian”, but they do not read the Bible, or they worship idols (Roman Catholics, for example).

            They are not authentic Christians.

          • RichardLW

            Thankfully, otherwise they’d be going on murderous rampages! They’d have to kill the gas station attendants who work on the Sabbath first, they are easy to find!

          • Christians Love

            Romans 1 is not about “homosexuality” a modern medical concept. Here is a good bit of scholarship… http://www.gaychristian101.com/how-can-you-say-that-romans-1-has-nothing-to-do-with-homosexuality.html

          • Di Mar

            You are deceived.

            I will stick with God’s word.

          • RichardLW

            Just don’t start murdering people for working on the Sabbath or committing adultery please. Ignore those words of god.

          • Darren Osier

            Di Ma, First you have the great commission “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” which says we need to go out and make disciples by teaching them. Also in Matthew Jesus states “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet” Then you have when it states you must submit to authority. So as a Christian, my focus should be on the person and winning that soul to Christ by teaching him the word of God and showing him how his ACTIONS are sinful. There is no difference in God’s eye between fornication between a man and a woman and sodomy or unnatural sexual actions between two people of the same sex. How many churches are actively pursuing the government to stop banks or apartment management from giving loans to adulterers? The point I’m making is if you are meeting great commission and teaching all the word of God do we in fact decrease the need for Man’s government to create morality law to legitimize sin?

          • RichardLW

            If you can’t pick and choose the word of God, why aren’t you out murdering all the adulterers and those who work on the Sabbath? Why aren’t you out murdering people of different religions?

            You therefore are not obeying god, and therefore, you aren’t a Christian as you are picking and choosing.

          • Tim K

            That’s an unfair argument. If that were true all Christians would be against religious freedom. Because “NO real Christian” would allow someone to follow a non-Christian religion that would condemn them to hell.

          • Di Mar

            We can’t force anyone to become a Christian- that is the Holy Spirit’s job. What we do is share God’s truth. God has preserved his word. It is up to us to accept or reject His gift. We choose where we want to spend eternity. He accepts our decision.

          • RichardLW

            As long as you are not trampling on the rights of others in the process, ie, the right to happiness. Whether that be the right for two consenting adults to marry based on YOUR religious views.

          • Edsword

            What, where does it say that? I see nothing that proves you know the Bible.

          • Christians Love

            “Judge not lest ye be judged.” – Jesus in the Gospel of Mathew 7th chapter, first verse .. and remember, Jesus NEVER spoke a single word against gays during His life. He ALWAYS spoke against religious conservatives who were dead certain they alone had the truth.

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            Hardly perfect, Only one EVER was perfect, CHrist himself.

          • RichardLW

            Can you provide evidence to prove that point?

          • RichardLW

            I can only see words. There are no actions in this forum, only words.

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            If you (OR anyone else for that matter) are a practicing Christian, then why are you feeding into this contention? Contention is not CHrist’s spirit.

          • rockcut

            What contention am I feeding into?

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            I concur with you right on observation, rocky is no Christian.

          • RichardLW

            Along with, unfortunately, not enough others. This world will be a better place after the current enlightenment. We had an enlightenment after the French revolution, and we’re having another during the age of the the electronic revolution. Science is quickly shedding light on the world in a way that stone age superstitions never could.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            “Science is quickly shedding light on the world in a way that stone age superstitions never could.” Until you look at the Junk Science with “climate-change” and consider science still has no cure for the common-cold!

          • RichardLW

            Your comment shows you have no understanding of the scientific world.

            Firstly, AGW and climate science is constantly evolving. There is not one scientific institution, organisation or academy in the world that does not publicly agree with the IPCC and its findings. Not one in the entire world. Hardly junk science really.

            Influenza virus adapts constantly, it evolves. It’s like trying to pin a tail on a donkey that moves constantly. And considering we have vaccines and cures for diseases and virus that killed of masses of humans for thousands of years, ‘junk science’ is doing well.

            So, all in all, when you talk junk science, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Imyerhuckleberry
          • Mike Mitchell

            Christians make death threats against homosexuals all the time. You are using the “No true Scotsman” fallacy for your argument….

          • Dennis

            PROVE YOUR STATEMENT. You can’t just say something (stupid) and then declare it truth. C’mon lets see better from you in the future Mikey.

          • Mike Mitchell

            OK Dennis, how about this. The KKK is a CHRISTIAN organization, and videos, books, pamphlets, etc… are in abundance, explaining exactly what they want to do to homosexuals.

          • Dennis

            What do you know about the KKK? Ever met them? Do they even exist still? I don’t know myself but you have claimed to be a modern day expert. Many organizations have made claim to being Christian but that, in no means, qualifies them as such. But then I don’t suppose you are one who dwells long upon the obvious truth very often, are you? Thankfully, simply writing down one’s delusional desires is not enough to bring them to fruition. You apparently naively believe otherwise. Poor lost soul you…

          • Christians Love

            I met KKK leaders. I reported on them on-air for ABC. I wrote about them in my first book. They do exist and you can look them up online. They are in many states.

          • Dennis

            How long ago was this and how many KKKers are there? BTW Nazis are also still active but then we don’t condemn Germans for it, do we?

          • Anonymous Me

            The KKK was founded by Democrats in response to Lincoln getting the slaves. That’s a fact.

          • Christians Love

            Misleading. All the racist Democrats became Republicans after the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed, and Nixon played the race card with his southern strategy.

          • hotsauce

            The democrat party owns the KKK and the Black Panthers and LA Raza.
            Racial division has always been a part of the democrat party and it still is today.

            Stop deflecting.

          • Christians Love

            There is no such thing as “The Democrat Party”. That’s like saying that your party is the Republi-cons.

          • Anonymous Me

            Exactly what I said, Democrats are so good at avoiding responsibility for their actions, they now claim the Democrats who started the KKK are now Republicans. No matter how often media repeats a lie, or thousands of lies, it doesn’t make it the truth.

          • hawaiigirl50

            Good…I hope they do!!!

          • Edsword

            No it’s not. Burning crosses is not a Christian act. Geesh, if Satan showed up and said he was a Christian people like you would believe it.

          • Mike Mitchell

            You are using the “No true Scotsman” logic fallacy….

          • Dennis

            There you go with that logic fallacy statement again. Is that something you just recently learned on-line?

          • Mike Mitchell

            No, a friend of mine is a logic and statistics professor in college. I used to argue with him years ago, while we were both in college. He introduced me to some of the more common logic fallacies that people use in arguments. It’s surprising how often they are used, and how few people actually know what they are. The “No true Scotsman” fallacy is used quite often in religious discussions.

          • Edsword

            What logic are you using assuming they are Christians? there are many who say they are something and are not. Mormons say they are Christians, but the christ they worship looks and acts nothing like the Christ of the Bible. So are they Christians? The answer is no. The term Christian is used too loosely to describe anyone that has some belief and fits Christ into it. That is not how it works though, many who call themselves Christian will find the door locked and hear Depart from me I never knew you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I am using the same logic used for the original accusations in the article. Christians are defined as people that share a similar set of beliefs, based on the teachings of Jesus, from the bible. Your definition uses the logic that only people that believe a certain way are christians. If this is true, since no two people think the same, no two people can have the exact same beliefs. In that case, that means that “Christianity” as a group doesn’t exist, since it takes more than one person with the same beliefs to make a group. If that is true, then this whole article is a farce, saying that “Christianity” is under attack. You can’t attack something that doesn’t exist. The article is claiming that a single person’s actions are defining LGBT thoughts as a whole. By that same logic, anyone claiming to do something because of christian beliefs is defined as representing Christianity as a whole. You can’t have it both ways…

          • Guest

            Prove it. Christians have videos of being attacked merely for holding a sign, they have pages of threats of robbery and worse, and can prove the main stream medias involvement in making this issue worse than it had to be, yet I have not seen one death made by Christians or one physical attack by a Minister on a gay.

          • Christians Love

            A pastor attacked his own gay son in church.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUTjidH0p0
            Sadly, there are many recorded incidents of Christians attacking gays, including acts of physical violence, assault and even murder. Go to Youtube and type in Christians murder gay man.

          • hawaiigirl50

            Yeah right!!!! If a Christian started threatening gays lives, the government would have them in jail so fast with charges pressed against them!!! SO you are lying !!!

          • Di Mar

            Yeah…what happened to all the threats this pizzaria received? Ii haven’t heard of one arrest yet. Yet, if it was the other way around, the person would be surrounded with drones and the swat team and homeland security.

            Yep….all a part of this administrations goal to divide and conquer the US from within.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Wow…. great comeback! Try yelling “nanny-nanny boo-boo” next. LOL

          • Dennis

            Mike, are you gay or a straight guy defending gays? The guy in the photo looks to be fairly macho. Almost as macho as me! If you ARE gay then kindly hand over the pretty woman since she is of no utility to you.

          • Mike Mitchell

            I’m straight, that is me and my wife. My son is not in the picture LOL

          • Dennis

            I recently shaved my beard and left the goatee. Were you to see me now you’d swear it was you.

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          • Di Mar

            I can think of one church- Westboro, and I am sure there are some individuals, but I can’ t think of a church as a group that issues death threats to homosexuals.

            God has the final say on judgement. God tells us practicing homosexuals are condemned to hell, but God ultimately will have mercy on who he chooses to. We humans don’t judge to salvation, but we do judge what is sin and contrary to God’s word- this is the truth we share.

            We know God loves the whole world- that is why he gave Jesus to die for each of us. Ultimately, we individually decide if we accept Jesus and follow him or reject Him and his truth.

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          • Imyerhuckleberry

            I am game for a small civil war…

          • Thunderbolt

            no real christian would, that is not what J esus teaches, but that lifestyle choice is still a s in.

          • Mike Mitchell

            What part of the “No true Scotsman” logic fallacy don’t you understand? The acts were committed in the name of the biblical god, so whether you validate them as “true Christians” or not, is immaterial.

          • Dennis

            You can commit whatever act you choose but blaming it upon your God doesn’t mean anything. Your statement is immaterial, Mikey!

          • Mike Mitchell

            Incorrect Dennis. People commit horrible acts regularly, and honesty believe it is what their religion wants them to do. Just because someone else disagrees with that person’s interpretation of what their religion calls for, does not invalidate that act in being done in the name of the religion. The exact same thing is true when moderate muslims say that ISIS’ actions are not representative of islam. That is also the same logic fallacy.

          • Dennis

            I guess I have missed your point but MY point is that it matters little what one blames their heinous acts upon whether it may be God, Allah, Satan, or their dog told them to do it! When people commit acts of terrorism, murder, inhumanity, etc it is THEY who are to blame not the object they choose to project their blame upon. I can bomb a federal building but saying my God willed it doesn’t make God a murderer. I would be the murderer, wouldn’t I?

          • Mike Mitchell

            I agree with you 100% Dennis. Personal responsibility is important. But the discussion at hand is based on what is seen as an attack on Christianity, not an attack on the biblical god. The business is using “Our religion (church dogma) calls this a sin” as their defense, so the gay supporters say that the religion is wrong. It is then that the Christians usually pull out the “You are attacking god, so you are a sinner”. Too many people equate the practices of the church with the dictates of god. They say that the practices are right, because god says so. No one will admit that it’s possible they got it wrong, by mistake, and aren’t actually following god’s word. My point is that the actions of these businesses don’t appear very Christian, they are more concerned with following what they see as the letter of the law than the spirit of the bible’s word.

          • Dennis

            Amen.

          • Dennis

            Your statement can be made and is true for many segments of society at odds with another. Therefore it proves nothing, my True Scotsman!

          • empty pockets

            To be fair, it’s almost certainly about 10 or twelve “activists” (read Marxist-socialist-agitators) with a computer program doing 80% or better of the threats and disgusting comments. They began far too soon and in too great numbers to be “naturally occurring”. The rest aren’t all homosexual either, but certainly includes some.

            Those threats, though, are crimes. The crime is on the
            books as black letter law—ASSAULT. Those guilty of this crime should absolutely be arrested, charged, prosecuted and punished…whoever they are. Until that starts happening, the agitators will merely escalate the anger and discord, further dampen any rational and reasonable communication…the violence will increase and the leftist progressives will further advance their agenda and the “fundamental transformation of America”.

            Like how it’s going so far? We’re all being herded into our respective little “groups”…divided and conquered. While the progs have us fighting each other, they further advance their agenda to fully control us ALL. Nice job falling for it, BTW…

          • Jerry Reiter

            Most LGBT people live the same kind of life most everyone else does. There are a few jerks who say rude and even threatening things among every crowd. Your comment is not exactly the voice of reason. PS: what reason would gays have to call for a civil war when they have already won the Culture War? That pizza place was a silly bunch of nonsense. They never catered anyone’s wedding, said the owners. But now they are getting a million dollars for saying they won’t cater a gay wedding. It was never going to happen, anyway, since no gay couple wants their fabulous wedding catered by a pizza joint. Everyone should calm down and play nice.

          • Dennis

            Who says they won the “Culture War”? I didn’t even know there was a conflict…?

          • Jerry Reiter

            Did you just arrive from Uranus?

          • Dennis

            No. I just got back from your house. Your mother says Hi!

          • Dennis

            We can once you leave.

          • jmstalk

            Actually there have been a few prominent homosexual persons speaking out about the LGBT tactics, and some in defense of natural marriage where children can have both a mother and a father.

            That however does not excuse the LGBT lobby for its terror tactics against Christians.

          • Nikolle

            Absolutely right there in that you won’t find a true Christian making a single death threat to the Homosexuals!!!!!! Or any other threat either!!!!!! People have to understand that those who do such things are prefessors of the faith but are not truly His!!!!! I am a Christian and proud of it. I love ALL people and only ask for the same respect and understanding from them as well. I love them and would not want to see any one of them hurt in any way. But that is because I realize that love and acceptance is FAR better than hate and condemnation. And most of us who believe in God like this are this way. The hateful and intolerant ones are the ones who want to act “Holier than thou” and think since they have what we believe is the truth we have justification for it. When in reality, we don’t and for them to think that is incredible in light of what our Lord has taught us. We have ALL sinned and missedthe mark. And no sin is greater than another either. We are then no better and they should stop to think about such things before they go thinking they know everything. You know a true Christian by the tolerance they have the respect and love for their fellow man no matter what race, color, sex orientation, or religion. “By this will all men know you aremy disciples, IF YOU HAVE LOVE ONE FOR ANOTHER.” Seems pretty common sense to me……………………..God bless you all!!!!!!!

          • Fawkes

            Well now you have, I nor any of my LGBT friends and aquaintences support those people that threatened the pizza shop, nor the fool in this article that thinks he speaks for all of us, its this kind of one sided media attention that inly reports on the few radicles that lables us all as haters, the LGBT stands for equality, and that doesnt just mean us, most of us understand that suppresion or restriction of others for a groups gain is counterproductive…the point is, the vast majority of us just want to to be treated fairly and granted the same rights as every other American

          • GetAware

            I’m trying to understand WHERE the “inequality” is?

            As a woman, I am free to marry any man I choose, but there ARE restrictions to WHO I can marry. I cannot marry: a woman, anyone who is currently already married to someone else, more than one man, a child under 18 yrs of age, a relative, a water buffalo or any other animal, etc….

            These are the EXACT SAME restrictions that apply EQUALLY to all citizens, REGARDLESS of preferred sexual orientation.

            Marriage “equality” ALREADY EXISTED, but those engaging in homosexual behavior seek ADDITIONAL RIGHTS, to cater to their specific lifestyle, and have lobbied & pressured politicians to support the homofascists trample the rights of Americans by way of propaganda, disinformation, and the hijacking of the judicial, legislative & executive branches of government.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Read what conservative Republican and Chief Justice John Roberts just said about this then.. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/gender-bias-could-tip-chief-justice-roberts-into-ruling-for-gay-marriage.html?_r=0

          • gina

            do you see uncorrupted christian churches becoming private organizations?

          • Christians Love

            There was a great deal of publicity about the lesbian couple who donated to the bigoted pizza owners. Bigotry does not make you a Christian. Being born LGBT does not exclude you from being a Christian.
            And you messed up one word in that all-caps sentence. the truth is ‘HOMOPHOBES ARE MILITIANT ANTI-CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS.”
            There won’t be war from LGBT people. They are getting married and loving one another.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            What a condescending mind to insist that gays can do anything but hate Christians, they cannot become Christians while being queer.

          • rockcut

            I never said that or implyed that so your reply to me is meaningless.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            So here we have it, friends for life!

          • dndgaddy

            well?

          • Angelene

            Ok let’s speak the real truth, restated. Satan hates Christianity, and Satan is who is leading this Gay Rights Movement. Is that better stated?

          • rockcut

            That is even more crazy. Look, hate the sin not the sinner. Maybe that guidence will help you.

          • Angelene

            Of course hate the sin and not the sinner but I’m past that in my comment. Let’s face reality, Satan is the source of all this evil to begin with. So no it’s not crazy it’s the truth.

          • rockcut

            I am sad that to many Christians hate the sin and the sinner and will do anything in their power to deny rights granted to all by the constitution !

          • Dennis

            What rights in the Constitution guarantee same sex marriage? I am equally curious what Constitutional rights dictate I must fund abortion? Or pay for a sex “reassignment”. (What a B.S. term to soften the sound of it)

          • rockcut

            All citizens must be treated equal under out laws. That is everone’s right. When you try to mix Religious views with secular laws you will always have problems.

          • Dennis

            Use of the word overreaching is also overreaching.

          • Steve

            Not really, I don’t see many acting very christian very often. I think you can get a general idea by the typical way many are all about promiscuity and selfishness.

        • Dennis

          What proof have you John (name appropriate) for your goofy assertion?

          • john_koenig

            Dan Savage is all I need…so apparently representative of the homosexual agenda that ABC is working on a “sitcom” based on his hate.

          • Dennis

            I didn’t know the homosexual community has elected a single spokesperson for the whole mutant race.

          • Bruce Wayne

            well, at least you’ve got the “Mutant” part right. There’s something very wrong with a man who acts more like a woman than a real woman.

          • Dennis

            Her name is Lola. And what’s up with women that behave more masculine than most men!?

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          • MacFly1

            Dennis, not living in a bubble like you do.

          • Dennis

            Proof that you are living in a fantasy is your moronic statement above. I think we can all agree that you do not know me at all nor can you make any cogent assessment on my day-to-day life and education/background. You are a fool for saying something so ridiculous. But I note you didn’t address the question I posed. The question is why do you respond with pointless and misleading assertions rather than answer my query?

          • Dennis

            How would you know how I live or where I’ve been? How many countries have you lived in? Did you see or observe any of the crap we have here in America? No? Wow, imagine that Mr. Tourister.

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            Dennis, if you are one, you know, if not just ask one, if you can stomach talking to it.

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        • Jerry Reiter

          John Koenig: That shows you are parroting prejudiced rhetoric. Reality is that God created over 4 million LGBT people who are Christians alive today (out of 2.1 billion Christians worldwide). Once you get out of your self-segregated bubble, you will learn that a large and growing list of churches welcome and affirm God’s rainbow people. Evangelicals under 30 are understanding in increasing numbers, with nearly half supporting marriage equality and 8 of 10 agreeing gays make good parents. So, “the gays” is just the way bigoted people speak to dehumanize folks who happen to be LGBT. Most gays don’t hate Christianity and many are Christians.

          • Cobber Campbell

            A true Christian obeys all the Words of God not selective parts to suit the flesh. Explain why some homosexuals I know have repented and are now heterosexual husbands and fathers .What did they repent of??Think on that!

          • Christians Love

            There is no such thing as a former homosexual. There are homosexuals who wed an opposite sex spouse and even adopt or create babies. But their lifelong sexual orientation will always be homosexual. And almost all will eventually divorce the opposite sex spouse. Go to the straight spouses’ network for the stats and the damage done by ignorant folks advising gays to wed opposite sex spouses.

          • GetAware

            Nonsense!

            How dare you post such ignorant lies….I WAS a homosexual and my first sexual attractions were homosexual & I ALWAYS knew it was abnormal & unnatural but I didn’t know how to change it. I did not like it & I felt like a freak.

            I despised Christianity because I felt rejected, inadequate, even spiritually betrayed or sabotaged.

            In my early 20s I was so damaged emotionally that I was willing to LET GO of my self-righteousness, pride, arrogance & admitted God is real(I ALWAYS KNEW deep inside there is a God–our Creator, despite being raised atheist.)

            It was like a mirror was before me, & I saw myself as I am….a sinner before a Holy, righteous God. And I was ashamed. I saw that I was a sinner even BEFORE I was homosexual, from the very first lie I told. It was a humbling experience. I had broken my own heart by rejecting God, thinking I had no superior. I repented deeply, I was immediately forgiven, in that instant I was born again. I WAS CHANGED. I KNEW in my heart I was saved, the rejection, pain, and torture I felt all my life vanished & I have finally discovered TRUE love, the love of God who, through His Son, Jesus Christ, has redeemed me.

            I have not had any homosexual desires since, and am happily married with 2 children.

            Glory to God!

          • Di Mar

            Sorry, God says otherwise. Read Romans 1.

            God did not make them queer. He gave them over to debased minds. And those “Christians” that embrace their lifestyle, God says they are deserving of death.

            God will judge sin. We are to know sin and not practice sin. This is why he has preserved his word and why man tries to keep it out of society, mocks it, scoffs at Christians, and does all he can to marginalize what God has said.

            Don’t pick and choose what is right or wrong by society’s standard. Use God’s word- and not one that has been rewritten for the LGBT or seeker friendly- use King James or New King James.

            Don’t fall for the Satan trick of twisting God’s word. He warned us that deception would be rampant in the last days. Get back into his word- don’t laugh at being rediculed for not reading it, but use it as a wake up call to get back into His word.

          • Christians Love

            Romans 1 has zero to do with sexual orientation or loving same-sex couples. Paul was shocked to see ‘holy men” having sex with boys. Sadly, the church of Rome still has that problem. It’s no sin to be gay; it’s not a choice. And if you are a KJV only guy, you must assume Jesus spoke King James English, but in fact King James was a queen who loved young guys.

          • Di Mar

            You’re wrong or deceived. Nothing I can say will change your perspective based on your comments.

          • Di Mar

            From NKJV, ” Likewise
            also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their
            lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and
            receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”

            The rest of your post is also nonsense.

          • Christians Love

            Romans 1 has nothing to do with “homosexuality” a modern medical concept understood from scientific evidence unavailable to ancient writers. Your belief that is addressing homosexuality is you reading your prejudices into ancient texts to make them fit your agenda.

          • Dare Tuitt

            If they profess Christianity but continue to be unrepentant homosexuals, they are not truly Christian. 1 Cor 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals”

          • Christians Love

            “Gays can change through Christ” promised evangelical ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but the long-time leaders admitted 2 years ago that nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual. That’s why we saw every major evangelical ex-gay ministry close down forever. Dare Truitt, your bible was written thousands of years ago; homosexuality is a modern medical concept. Putting modern medical concepts into the mouths of ancient writers is evil, but the religious conservative translators were so blinded by hate they put the new term into ancient texts.

          • Dare Tuitt

            “Gays can change through Christ.” Yes they can. I did. And I know 3 others who did as well. I didn’t need an ex-gay ministry, just Jesus. There are so many more than the LGBT community knows about because it’s a deliberately under-reported story

          • Christians Love

            When the ex-gay ministries crumbled, anti-gays went into a desperate scramble to find homosexuals who turned heterosexual. They found none, but they did find one college kid named Matt Moore who, although he admitted to being same-sex attracted, claimed Jesus gave him the power to live celibate and pure. But his reign as the new poster boy ended in less than 2 years after he admitted (when caught) that he had been using the gay app Grind’r for hook-ups during his entire time as the face for ex-gays. There are zero homosexuals turned into heterosexuals.

          • Dare Tuitt

            I never heard Matt Moore’s story so I can’t speak to that, but I can say that I was saved from the gay lifestyle after reading the Bible. I began reading the Bible because I thought I was too smart not to have read it and also because I wanted to find the scripture I could use to justify my choice of sins.

          • Christians Love

            Since 1973 tens of thousands of Christians claimed they changed from gay to straight, but finally the long-time leaders admitted nobody changed his sexual orientation through Christ from homosexual to heterosexual. They were playing the same game you are: the “name it and claim it”. But Jesus never changed anyone’s sexual orientation because God is the One who gives the gift of sexual orientation in the first place.
            It’s no sin to be homosexual; it’s not even a choice. In time you will come clean. You think you made some fabulous breakthrough and you assume you are the first LGBT Christian to read the bible. That’s pretty funny.

          • Dare Tuitt

            All I know is I started out one way, then read the Bible and gave my life to Jesus and became a Christian in my heart. Jesus healed me of my sin immediately – I have never had any more gay sex since that time in 2004. This was after living the life for 27 years. I also have never had the compulsion to act on any “feelings” because I honestly don’t have those feelings anymore. I believed God’s Word when it says homosexuality is a sin and I didn’t want to
            go to hell. I didn’t name it and claim it because I’m not a “Word Faith” practitioner, but I would say I am a firm believer in the Bible as written with the plain meaning of the text. I’m a bit surprised you are trying to discount or disparage my real, lived experience. If you don’t think homosexuality is a sin, don’t take it up with me, take it up with God. His Word is very clear on the matter. I pray for all my former friends, not because I left them, but they left me. My gay friends have abandoned me since I came out as Christian and no longer homosexual. I lived in big cities –
            including San Francisco – and was very active in “gay politics.”
            I sat on the board of directors of gay organizations and helped to
            organized gays politically in the 1980’s and 90’s. I also know
            there are many, many others just like me. Just ask Rosaria
            Butterfield, a former Queer Studies Professor who is now Christian
            and married to a Pastor – ! Her website contains the story of her
            journey: http://rosariabutterfield.com/
            There is an under-reported story here for any honest journalist.
            The movement of thousands of the quietly converted and healed ex-gays
            and the glory goes to Jesus!

          • CAROLYN JOHNSON

            HAS ANYONE EVER THOUGHT THAT HOMOSEXUALITY MAY BE A BIRTH DEFECT?WHEN WE ARE BORN WE ALL HAVE MALE AND FEMALE HORMONES.IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOR SOME STRANGE REASON NOT ENOUGH FEMALE HORMONES LEFT THE MALE AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO SAME SEX.JUST A THOUGHT.

          • Christians Love

            The under-reported story is that every medical association says sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Every major ex-gay ministry with decades (not months) of experience has shut down forever after the long-time leaders admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual.

          • Dare Tuitt

            Well thank goodness
            real-life experience informs science even if it does take a long time
            to catch up! The best thinkers in Medicine also once believed that
            bleeding a patient “drained off the bad humours” and
            performing lobotomies on mental patients actually helped them! Maybe
            the reason why folks haven’t
            heard too much about the thousands of converted Christians who left
            the gay life behind is because many don’t feel
            compelled to share about their past sins (who would?) and also
            because these days, gays react badly when
            confronted with these facts, sometimes violently
            threatening others. Before Jesus changed my life, I remember getting
            angry with others telling of similar experiences. I also know
            several gays who left the life to marry someone of the opposite sex,
            although not becoming Christian. It used to enrage my gay friends!

          • Dare Tuitt

            All
            I know is I started out one way, then read the Bible and gave my life to Jesus and became a Christian in my heart. Jesus healed me of my sin immediately – I have never had any more gay sex since that time in 2004. This was after living the life for 27 years. I also have never had the compulsion to act on any “feelings” because I honestly don’t have those feelings anymore. I believed God’s Word when it says homosexuality is a sin and I didn’t want to
            go to hell. I didn’t name it and claim it because I’m not a “Word Faith” practitioner, but I would say I am a firm believer in the Bible as written with the plain meaning of the text. I’m a bit surprised you are trying to discount or disparage my real, lived experience. If you don’t think homosexuality is a sin, don’t take it up with me, take it up with God. His Word is very clear on the matter. I pray for all my former friends, not because I left them, but they left me. My gay friends have abandoned me since I came out as Christian and no longer homosexual. I lived in big cities –
            including San Francisco – and was very active in “gay politics.” I sat on the board of directors of gay organizations and helped to
            organized gays politically in the 1980’s and 90’s. I also know
            there are many, many others just like me. Just ask Rosaria
            Butterfield, a former Queer Studies Professor who is now Christian
            and married to a Pastor – ! Her website contains the story of her
            journey: http://rosariabutterfield.com/
            There is an under-reported story here for any honest journalist.
            The movement of thousands of the quietly converted and healed ex-gays
            and the glory goes to Jesus!

          • manmadeclimatechangeisbs

            This is absolutely 100% a lie. The gays are so afraid of it, they have banned this type of therapy for youth.

          • Christians Love

            manmadeclimatechangeisnotbs: I was in the room with Alan Chambers, the long-time leader of Exodus International, the largest ex-gay ministry on the planet, when he admitted that gay-curing therapy does not work and was not biblical five years ago. The evangelical ex-gay ministries stopped endorsing gay-conversion therapies. At the Gay Christian Network conference, Chambers also admitted that “99.9% of Christians who seek a change of sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual do not experience it.”
            I was there in the room with him again when he apologized to LGBT people for all the harms done by the false claims that Christians who are LGBT could choose to change.
            My friend John Smid, the long-time leader of Love in Action, the oldest ex-gay ministry, admitted first in private and later in public nobody ever changed from homosexual to heterosexual.
            Evergreen International, Courage UK and all European ex-gay ministries, New Directions Canada, Living Waters Australia and many more joined Exodus international and Love in Action in becoming history.
            Meanwhile, every medical association has explained that gay conversion therapy does not work, is not helping anyone and is harming many.

          • manmadeclimatechangeisbs

            You could not be more wrong. Post your sources. The fact is, if gays or gay leadership. Think they can ban churches, they will lose even more Christian supporters.

        • Imyerhuckleberry

          No Secular Humanist believe they can use the Muslims to help win the moral war against Christians. Sadly these secular humanist also feel they can control the Muslims afterwards.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Do you even know what a secular humanist is? From your post, I highly doubt it. I’ll make a counter claim, the Christians are using the muslims to help start a war so the Christians can take over the world, eradicate all other religions and impose biblical values on everyone. I have as much proof for that as you have for your post, so that means it’s true…

          • Dennis

            Mike, if you truly believe your opponent in this argument is as ignorant as you claim, then kindly explain why you continue to debate him? You must feel he is winning the argument, otherwise why fire shots at a dead opponent?

          • Mike Mitchell

            Unfortunately, in America, it is often the voice that cries loudest or unopposed that is believed to be true. I also happen to be a secular humanist, and it’s difficult enough for people to understand what that is without all the outright falsehoods propagating on the internet. I try to correct the misconceptions, or present the truth as often as possible. It is a charitable act, helping others to learn, and it can sometimes make my life easier.

          • manmadeclimatechangeisbs

            Which is why you have to keep debating and have the last word. So your whiny voice will stand out.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Were you somehow involved, or invited, into this conversation? Let the adults speak without interrupting, or were your parents unable to teach you manners, since common sense is obviously beyond you.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            How long you been ignorant all your life or just as you have grown older and began looking like a sour ass old libtard?

          • Mike Mitchell

            Accusations of ignorance from someone that wears a tinfoil hat… Assuming I am liberal, yet another fail on your part. Have you actually posted a single thing that is proven fact, or even in the neighborhood of the truth? Say whatever you want, in a few years your ridiculous attitude and opinions will be in the scrapheap of history, just like you. We will win, no matter what.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Who the f*ck are you talking to ass-wipe? You might talk to your little boys and gay friends as such, and maybe you are use to it. But the fact remains that the word homosexual originated in Germany. The word NAZI originated in Germany and by Queer men full of hate like yourself who wanted to start a war and genocide. When they lost that war they all cried look at us we need to have sympathy like the Jews(that they cooked in ovens). In America these same hate-filled queers took all Of Martin Luther Kings work and his death and desecrated it, claiming that they were prosecuted on the same level ass the slaves.
            Now go put your brown shirt on or find your pappies old clan suite and go attack a non queer and yell look what the clan did, or democrats they are both the same.
            But STFU you crazy as moron.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Recess is over, class is back in session…
            Let’s start with the easy stuff. “Maybe you are use to it” should be “maybe you are used to it”. “Queer men full of hate” uses queer as an adjective, not a proper noun, so it is not capitalized unless it is the first word in a sentence. “Full of hate like you” is an independent clause and should be separated by commas. “Look at us we need to have sympathy” is a quote and should be written the way I wrote it, and is also missing a comma between us and we. The word “of” before “Martin Luther Kings” should not be capitalized and it should be “King’s”, since it is possessive. It is “same level as the slaves” not “same level ass the slaves”. It is “pappie’s” not “pappies” and “suit” not “suite”. There should be a comma after “or democrats”, as well as before the phrase. And finally, it’s “crazy ass moron”, not “crazy as moron”. These are just the more egregious grammar errors, but they suffice to show your lack of knowledge and intelligence.
            Now on to the good part, the word homosexual originated in England (Note the proper use of a capital letter to spell a proper noun.), in the late 19th century. The word Nazi did indeed originate in the German language, however it was a play on the word Naczi, which was used colloquially to mean a foolish person, and was used as an insult by the opponents of the National-Sozialist party. Your knowledge of World War 2 history is lacking badly in facts, but it takes more space than is available in a post to point out your errors. Suffice it to say that the Nazis lost, deservedly so, but didn’t cry for sympathy afterwards, which they would not have received even if they did. As far as me being full of hate, I notice that you are the one that started with the vituperative words and insults. I bear no hate, though you obviously do.
            On to the last, if you want me to shut up, I suggest you bring your pansy ass carcass out to Fort Irwin and try to make me… I doubt that you have the balls to try, since you appear to have a massive inferiority complex, likely brought about by a lack of manhood and inability to please the women that you most likely have to rape in order to have any sexual contact at all. Your ignorance and foul language frighten me not in the least, I will continue to feel the way I do, as long as I want, and there really isn’t anything you can do about it.
            P.S. I notice you said to “go attack a non queer” (sic) which would indicate that I am currently arguing with a queer. You must be one of self-hating kind…
            Class dismissed.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            No time to read your petulant bullshit you loony bastard, write a book and try and sell it…

          • Mike Mitchell

            Then you concede the point… I get to chalk up another win. Thank you for the opportunity to correct some misconceptions of some of the public at large, and have a nice day. 🙂

          • manmadeclimatechangeisbs

            Dude get a life. Nobody cares about your grammar skills.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Dude, get a life. Nobody cares about your unsupported opinion. If you can’t use facts and logic in your arguments, then they are meaningless.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            This is your flag…

        • Joe Sniper

          Yup, everything opposes Christ….Demon seed antichrist network, scum of the universe.

          • Christians Love

            Jesus Christ always spoke against religious conservatives, and warned that those who call others such names are worthy of hell. Jesus Christ never spoke a single word against gays and lesbians during His life.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            And yet you may deny that the birth of the NAZI party was a queer uprising… Please educate yourself and read.

            http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html

          • Mike Mitchell

            OMG!!!! So much LOL at that site. It is so full of crap that only a complete idiot would believe it. You need to remember, just because someone posted it on the internet, doesn’t mean it’s true….
            I can post links to sites that claim Jesus was gay. Does it make it true?

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            However no one has been able to debunk the book…
            Doodles fairy..

          • Mike Mitchell

            Logic 101 time again, I see… The book doesn’t have to debunked. The burden of proof is upon the person making the assertion. Since the book has no proof that it is true, It is considered a hypothesis only, not fact. Don’t forget, anything that is asserted without proof, is also dismissed as false without proof. Try again.
            Doodles chuckleheadberry…

          • RichardLW

            Yes, yes they have!

            You must be ignoring the responses by Historians!

            “Erik N. Jensen regards the authors’ linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a “pernicious myth”, originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and “long since dispelled” by “serious scholarship””

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Sorry your vanity does not win debates nor do your fairy tales…SMH

          • RichardLW

            There is nothing vain about having a greater knowledge and being able to sniff out BS. Listen here son, you are an idiot. Plain and simple, you believe in angels, yet you try tell me that that fairy tales don’t win debates?

            How is quoting a historian a fairy tale? That makes no sense at all.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You are living with a mindset of the failed Liberal Logic.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Never…But if they lie enough and often enought their mind will become reprobate and leave the natural order..

          • Mike Mitchell

            Your post doesn’t even mean anything… Try speaking in sentences that have an actual meaning in English.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            The Reprobate mind cannot discern reality from sickness…SMH

          • Mike Mitchell

            The mind deluded by religious dogma cannot discern reality from fantasy… SMH

            You’ll have to come up within something better than an indoctrinated opinion. Try using facts, not opinions. Just because you believe something, it does not follow that it is necessarily true.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Mikey I need not come up with anything, you are my entertainment and that is reality…

          • Mike Mitchell

            So you don’t actually believe any of the stuff on the links you post, and realize that it is a bunch of made up garbage. You simply post it in an attempt to be inflammatory. At least my posts are based in fact and reality, which I also post on here just to show how stupid some people are. You have also been very entertaining, I have derived a lot of laughs discussing your posts with my work colleague. I’m glad to have been able to provide the same type of laughs to you.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You are starting to bore me again, go get some new material.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Thank you for the entertaining discussion.
            *Chalks up another debate win*

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Sidewalk chalk never matters as i can just hose it down you simple minded clown.

          • Mike Mitchell

            And that is why you lose debates… Logic and facts trump insults and idiocy every time. Since you can’t even understand simple English, this discussion is over. Go play in your sandbox, boy.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You have present not one bit of logic…You did just debunk yourself with your first attempt to win a debate with me…”OMG!!!! So much LOL at that site. It is so full of crap that only a complete idiot would believe it.”…SMH

          • Mike Mitchell

            As I said before, you do not know the meaning of the word logic. Go shake your head under your bridge, troll. I refuse to waste any more of my time with someone that is willfully ignorant and deliberately presents a danger to society as a whole.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You are one of those clowns that continues to run your wimpy mouth even after taking a severe ass whipping…SMH

          • Mike Mitchell

            Feel free to come out to the Mojave desert, and please bring your whole family so the entire serpents nest can be addressed at one time, and see how well you “whipped my ass”… Commies like you can’t back up squat and hide behind anonymity on the internet. Shake your head all you want, eventually me and others that think like me will be looking down at your corpses and shaking our heads, you wimpy POS. You can’t win an argument of logic and definitely can’t win an argument of firepower, so your opinion means nothing. In fact, you are nothing, not even a fart in the wind. Since the Supreme Court is going to rule against you, and your beliefs will have no legal force, I will simply laugh at how impotent your thoughts, life and desires are. I don’t need to make you admit you lost, like you seem to want from me. I’ll win by being alive after you are dead, and watching my country grow and thrive, the way I want it to.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You are really are a screwed up and a out of touch soul. You actuallly thing that because you are a desert dweller that you are somehow tough…SMH

            FYI you follow the Marxist Agenda and dare call me a commie…SMH

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            Religion is NEVER a debate. Only one it matters to is you and ………The omnipotent, omnipresent, one. Settle this for yourselves. within yourself.

          • RichardLW

            No, it is on you to prove through science and logical methodology that your god exists, especially when you and your elk use it as a tool to try and deny rights to others, IE the right to marry a consenting adult and be happy.

          • RichardLW

            That’s rich isn’t it?

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            five months later you shit a turd in Missouri and it formed a swastika.. You are a late bloomer..

          • RichardLW

            Sorry, I fail to see the relevance of that statement.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Go figure… You must fail 90% of the time we call you a loser!

          • RichardLW

            This sounds like an argument from someone who has no valid and factually based argument.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            What do you you hope to offer? Oh nothing!

          • RichardLW

            Your own comment is what I have to offer. Your comments prove my point, and prove that you are someone of considerably lower intelligence. But don’t worry, your Jesus loves you even if you are an idiot.

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            Neither does personal interpretation of said “facts”.You will have to find out from the true source one way or another……! Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it will be opened unto you. (sincerely)

          • RichardLW

            I’ll have a lot of bad things to say to the “true Source” if I ever meet him/her one day.

            Liberia, a strongly Christian African nation, 70% of all women have been raped at least once in their lives. That, is proof to me, that the True Source, if their is one, is pure evil through his/her lack of action. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

            How anyone can stand there when so many suffer though horrendous misery and believe in a good and kind creator, is beyond me.

          • RichardLW

            Talk for yourself there sir. Those living in glass houses should not cast the first stone.

          • That goes for Obama’s crap as well…

          • Christians Love

            You can get his opinions from his own mouth very quickly on this TV interview that author did… http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/pv3fgo/gay-reichs

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            A comic is nothing more than a comic, why do you people from the left depend on comics and bloggers for the news?

          • GracieW

            Did you really just link to the Daily Show? Oh wow. Well then it MUST be truth! *eyeroll*

          • RichardLW

            There is more logic in the daily show than this site.

            Don’t forget who brought the 911 first responders bill and the republicans blocking of the bill to light. John Stewart and the Daily Show.

            Unless of course you don’t believe the nation owes the 911 first responders bill basic healthcare for their life threatening health issues they suffer from.

          • RichardLW

            That was a crock of rubbish. That book has been debunked by multiple historians.

            “To win their release from the camps, some gays were forced to undergo castration. Others were mutilated or murdered in so-called medical experiments by Nazi doctors, who insisted that homosexuality was a disease that could be ‘cured’.”

            “Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime.” – Jonathan Zimmerman, historian, New York University

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            After 7 month to think about this you facilitate a rational
            thought you come at me with left-wing propaganda. NAZI Queers were burning straight people who opposed them and calling the victims’ queers.

          • RichardLW

            It could be ten years on, and in your case, 80 of years since the communist propaganda was brought out that you keep spouting. Don’t you do you actually believe what you’re typing? In all honesty? You’re a lunatic! This has nothing to do with left wing or right wing ideology. We’re getting down to nuts and bolts rational and logical realities, of which you are failing to be part of. If your theory were true about the Nazis being homosexuals, don’t you think everyone would know about that, with the furious interest in the Nazi party during and after WW2?

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            You may only reply once, the first time you and I both know you sounded like a petulant fool!

          • RichardLW

            Holy sh*t you’re an idiot. Wow! Please don’t breed! Please for the love of any deity, don’t breed. Jaw dropingly naive! It’s like you live in a bubble of illogic.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Petulance is your game

          • GetAware

            Actually, Jesus was quite vocal that marriage is between one man & one woman, as He reiterated The very essence of marriage. Observe:

            “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

            And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

            Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”….Matthew 19:4-6

          • Christians Love

            That is the worst hypocrisy possible. Jesus was clearly answering questions on divorce, which evangelicals totally ignore. Shocked researchers at Baylor Christians University in Texas discovered evangelicals have the highest divorce rates in society, higher than for atheists or any single group. So, religious conservatives ignore the actual teachings of Christ and pretend Jesus was addressing marriage equality laws in the US.

          • GetAware

            Please explain how my comment amounts to hypocrisy. Your claim is entirely illogical.

            Jesus explains that He created them–male & female–SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of the 2 joining together to become 1. The result is a beautiful thing….the creation of life.

            Life can never arise from 2 men sodomizing each other. Disease, perhaps, but not life.

          • Christians Love

            Perhaps your 2nd or 3rd wife can explain it. You ignore what Jesus actually taught about divorce and remarriage, and pretend Jesus was for changing civil laws to exclude LGBT people.
            Your grandchildren shall surely see your views on gays and marriage equality the same way most of us see our grandparents’ generation’s views on race and interracial marriage. Stop pretending Jesus was on a political crusade to attack LGBT people. That is pure prejudice.

          • GetAware

            I’m happily married with 2 kids to my first & only husband of 15 yrs. We take vows seriously & we were friends for years before dating. So your first sentence does not apply to me.

            God is not racist & the Bible never condemns interracial marriage, and neither do I…those concepts are entirely man-made. I am not sure why you even bring that up.

            Nobody said Jesus was on any political crusade except you. The Bible is clear that God forbids sexual impurity: fornication, promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, etc.

            To say He does not is a lie.

          • Christians Love

            You are totally ignorant that for most of the last 400 years the bible’s “curse of Ham” theology was wildly popular, even more popular than your anti-gay junk. Religious conservatives used bible quotes to oppose the abolition of slavery, to enforce segregation, to create Jim Crow laws, to oppose civil rights and voting rights for people of color, to oppose women’s civil rights and voting rights, to oppose integration of schools. Fortunately, every legal prejudice religious conservatives held was finally defeated by the efforts of moderate and liberal Christians. And so it is that now we end the last legal prejudice as religious conservatives continue to whine about losing their “liberty” when they simply mean their “right” to be mean in the name of Christ.

          • GetAware

            You continue bouncing off the walls with tangents. Let’s resolve one point at a time, shall we?
            1. Jesus NEVER condoned homosexual behavior. EVER. On the contrary, He considers it an ABOMINATION. Discover God’s view on homo behavior by reading about the wicked, depraved acts commited by the rebellious, unrepentant, reprobate sodomites living in Sodom & Gomorrah. Spoiler: He burned those cities to the ground.

          • Christians Love

            1. Jesus always spoke against religious conservatives. Repent of being a modern day Pharisee.
            2. there are 114 abominations, but 113 are forgotten while 1 is misused by bigots.
            3. The sin of Sodom per the bible: her citizens were “arrogant, overfed and unconcerned for the poor” showing religious conservatives are the biblical sodomites.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            Jesus was a Conservative, who spoke against ignorance and petulance.

          • Christians Love

            huckster: you follow the GOP Jesus, who loves the rich, war, torture and who hates women, gays and everyone who is not a rich, white hetero male in the US. You get your info from Rightwing conspiracy nuts and from certified hate groups.

          • Imyerhuckleberry

            I, unlike you do not get to create who Jesus is. We both have accesss to the good news you changed your Jesus to represent what your reprobate mind believes him to me. I simply follow his words as TRUTH.

          • Steve

            your just an idiot..how old are you, like 12..Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell of he had and give to the poor..you seriously need to gain some Biblical knowledge before continuing to embarrass yourself!

          • GracieW

            No–the reason that those cities burned was because they were wicked. Yes–how they treated the poor was mentioned as the fact that they were WICKED–it is recorded in Genesis how God told Abraham he was going to send angels to Sodom to see if the people were really as bad as he had heard. While the angels were there the men of the city tried to sodomize them. THen the angels pronounce judgement. So there ya go–their sexual sin was the clincher.

            Jesus spoke against hypocrites. Those religious leaders who elevated themselves while secretly sinning. They were ready to stone the woman taken in adultery while they themselves were guilty of such things. But do you remember what Jesus said to the woman? He said “Go and sin NO MORE”. He didn’t say “Hey lets change laws so that adultery is totally okay and legal! Lets get on websites and blast those who are against adultery!” No–he RE-AFFIRMED THAT SEXUAL SIN IS WRONG and then forgave her while telling her to do it NO MORE.

          • RichardLW

            So, for some of these wicked cities, God decided the just punishment was the Israelites raping the women? That makes sense!

            What I have never understood is how women, considering how horrendous the bible is to women, could still be Christian. Read below.

            –“Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.” Numbers 31:7-18

            –“But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.” Deuteronomy 20:10-14

            –“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29

          • steve

            dude you are the dumbest person I ever read..why would Jesus speak out against religious conservatives..not conservatives you idiot..it was religious pride..those who thought they were better than others because of their great knowledge of scripture or pious behavior..that has nothing to do with being conservative..he spoke about being in self control and not being drunk with wine..this is conservative behavior..your making a complete fool of yourself..

          • Nicci De Bie

            lool thanks for the spoiler alert

          • Samuel Adams

            You are an idiot.

          • Rosen Otter

            The bible doesn’t condemn interracial marriage? Look up a fellow named Phineas.

          • nKhosi

            The priest Phineas acted because YHWH had said NOT to take the Canaanite women as wives or to allow their women to marry Canaanites BECAUSE the people living in Canaan had, as descendants of Abraham, once worshiped YHWH but had turned to false gods and participated in human sacrifice. If you read the rest of the text you would find that YHWH promised in Deuteronomy 28 that if they, the Hebrews obeyed His commandments He would bless them. If, however they turned away as the Canaanites did, He would use other peoples to punish them as He was using the Hebrews to punish the Canaanites. It is never ‘race’ [there is only one race- Human] in the Bible, it is culture- All the Canaanites, Moabites, Edomites, Ismaelites- all of the neighbors of Israel were kin- so how could it be race?

          • RichardLW

            –“Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.” Numbers 31:7-18

            –“But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.” Deuteronomy 20:10-14

            But the bible does condone rape and plunder. WHy else would god give the women to the invading army? As teachers? Nurses? No. For raping.

            And what is the punishment for rape in the bible? Why, forcing the rape victim to marry her rapist!

            –“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29

          • Debra

            Amen! The Bible is VERY CLEAR on the subject of homosexuals. If you have read it then no point in disputing what is said. Yes the Lord also despised divorce and other things but the topic is homosexuals. I feel sorry for Pastors today and I do know if I were a Pastor I would absolutely NOT perform a
            same sex marriage in, out or around my church even if my job depends on it. Why bother being a Pastor if you are willing to go against your beliefs and the word of our Lord.

          • secret societies

            for the gov to tell or punish churches for not submitting to the new world agenda and marrying homos should have immediately started a full scale no holds barred we are out for blood revolution. just think of telling a soldier, as he is about to jump onto a grenade to save his platoon, that his actions to preserve the constitution will mean shit. Because gays need so much special attention at the expense of the rights the soldier is fighting for such as freedom of religion? We are to blame, i am to blame for not doing more or providing a louder voice; for as the century 21 sign in portage indiana once read: A LOUD VOICE ATTRACTS MANY FEET.

          • Sarah Hood

            Jesus did clearly preach love and not judgement. I’m a lesbian and Jesus loves me and I love Jesus. How dare you preach judgement and hate in his name. These words you speak are the words of ignorant people not my lord. Why don’t you spend your time loving and helping those in need instead of casting stones? Ask yourself WWJD….he would love.

            Ps: check out Naomi and Ruth in the bible;)

          • Jaci

            Yes Jesus loves you still however according to the bible you will end up in hell if you continue without any sign of repenting. Nobody should discriminate anyone regardless but at the same time you are being a hypocrite. One can’t truly be a Christian whilst knowingly commuting a sin. That being said I am hardly any better considering the fact that I always tell myself I will be a better ‘Christian later. Jesus loves you but he is required by law to punish unrepented sins by hellfire. Also Naomi and Ruth weren’t lesbians if that is what you are implying- they were mother in law/daughter in law. But if you meant that Naomi accepted Ruth despite being a sinner then you are right- Christians should accept others however Ruth repented of her ways. You on the other hand show no remorse however I have no right to judge.

          • Steve

            Debra, I disapprove of your fat lifestyle.

          • William Boyd Spencer

            Actually Jesus was defining marriage. Your eisegesis lacks any logic.

          • GracieW

            You are guilty of idolatry. Jesus came to save people from SIN. Not to change civil laws. Stop trying to change Jesus into something else that suits your sick agenda. A white man and black woman still compliment each other. A black man and white woman still compliment each other. Gender matters. If God didn’t care about gender in marriage he would not have made Eve. He would have made us all genderless and able to procreate with any other human–like worms. Worms are neither male nor female and procreate with any other worm. And yet God showed us His design when He created one woman for one man. He didn’t even create a harem for Adam. He created one help-meet–the woman for the man.

            There are plenty of verse from the OT to the NT that condemn homosexuality. Jesus was the WORD made flesh. What the Bible says is what Jesus was. It wasn’t like Jesus was secretly okay with homosexuality but then directed Paul to speak against it in Corinthians.

          • RichardLW

            God also condones murder, genocide, mauling by bears, rape, sexism, slavery etc.

            And then Jesus came and said, “I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets”

            Therefore, you are disobeying Jesus and thus a bad Christian if you don’t murder people for working on a Sunday.

            So yeah, the bible is a terrible barometer of ethics, so don’t worry about people sodomising each other in their own bedrooms, it has nothing to do with you.

          • Bada Vim Bada Boom

            Highest divorce rate among evangelicals? according to the groups that is against evangelicals yes,they tell a lot of lies to strengthen their ground, similar to the alleged inquisition which was committed by fanatics who had just converted to Catholicism(from muslims) and still acts same with that extermination of those who oppose them. I’ve been living among these people who you despise,harass and bully. I don’t have a religion and have relatives who are agnostics and atheist and they do have a high rate of divorce but due to their small number it seems low,but don’t compare a huge number to a minute one which is scientifically stupid.

          • Mike

            Bada Vim Bada Boo, please get real! Go to India – the highest divorce rate is among Hindus. Go to Indonesia – the highest divorce rate is among the Muslims. What about Japan and China? You should be able to guess! It so happens that Evangelicals are a majority, hence the high divorce rate. Go to Pakistan or Acheh province and you will find public flogging of adulters and fornicators. Your logic is very childish.

          • bowie1

            He was addressing marriage.

          • GracieW

            Divorce is wrong. But did you ever hear “two wrongs don’t make a right”? And care to link to this study? How many families were polled? Only in Texas or in other areas as well? Did they poll non-Christians as well or only Christians? It doesn’t hold water for me that Christians have the highest divorce rate. And even if they did–let me know how that defense holds up before Christ during judgement. “Well I was gay because this Christian got a divorce!!!!”

          • shastamtnmansfamily .

            Your information about Christian marriages is incorrect! Good try though. Jesus Christ NEVER EVER advocated SIN! No matter how you wish to paint the gay lifestyle, God will never approve disobedience. Living in a gay relationship is SIN. The wages of sin is death. Gods words not mine.

          • Joe

            Did you even read the Bible to throw such a statement ?

            Leviticus 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

            “1Leviticus 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.

            “1 Corinthians 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

            “Romans 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

          • Christians Love

            That is NOT a discussion of sexual orientation. Read “God and the Gay Christian” and “Walking the Bridgeless Canyon” so you won'[t make such ignorant claims. Sadly, every time there has been a civil rights advance proposed, bigots with bible verses out of context fight to defend injustice. But, praise God the moderates and liberals always win out with the facts.

          • ziggyman911

            Do we base our life off of failed relationships whether it be preachers teachers doctors psychiatrist in which the guy standing at the podium actually needs. Will you be judged by what others say or will you be judged according to the word of God. My relationship with God is not based out of what others do but my relationship with God is based off of my commitment to him and my family and my church family. You’re being very hypocritical you don’t live for God because I live for God you live for God because you love him. Are you gay because someone else is gay are you straight because someone else is straight or are you be just being arrogantly ignorant. The old saying every pot sets on its own bottom so let me explain so that 2 U every liar every adult your

          • Steve W

            Go get a Bible and READ IT. Matthew 11:23 ” if the miracles that were performed in [Capernaum] were done in SODOM AND GOMORAH, Sodom would have remained; i.e. Sodom’s repentance from homosexuality would have spared them.

          • William Boyd Spencer

            Actually He did, Jesus spoke against sexual immorality. In first century Judaism anyone who heard Jesus’ teaching on sexual immorality would think right back to the Leviticus laws such as the one in Leviticus 18:22 that states it is an abomination to lay with a man as with a woman. Please learn to exegete scripture before lying about it.

          • RichardLW

            Ready to start a mudering based on the Leviticus laws you so happily preach about? Grab your pitch fork!

            A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27

            All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

            If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10

            A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9

            Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. Leviticus 24:10-16

          • William Boyd Spencer

            Context problem. See the Mosaic laws had three separations. The moral, the ceremonial and the national. The moral laws always will be binding and always have been to all people. The ceremonial and National laws were for Israel and were fulfilled in Christ. So while homosexuality is still a sin, the penalty for it has been fulfilled in Christ.

          • Samuel Adams

            Actully yes He did. Go read Mathew just for starters.

          • Mary Ann Pickering

            Fool hardy! Check all the words in the Bible. Then, go and sin no more!

          • RichardLW

            Want some more bible?

            A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27

            All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

            If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10

            A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9

            Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. Leviticus 24:10-16

          • Juan de Jesus

            Are you saying Jesus agrees with gays??????

          • ziggyman911

            What a shame you do not know what you’re talking about this is why homosexuality is a sickness. Forceful lying and conniving spirit from the halls hell. Satan has the world convince everyone’s a preacher everyone knows the Bible except God himself it is an abomination in the sight of God and it will stay that way until judgment day. This is the very reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah forcefully pushing the righteous homosexuality is a sin and that is final you can’t change it the world can’t change it. The Supreme Court decision set this nation in a burning slope bound for judgement and there’s no escape. And soon the world will see just who is in charge of this planet and i can assure you that it is not the LGBT. Nor is it Obama or Congress or the Supreme Court But it is king Jesus the mighty God the same God from the beginning. I hope you repent. Save your self. Stop reading the Bible and start obeying it.

        • Dennis

          And why? Hating something you think is irrelevant is pure STUPID!

        • EdStone

          Looks like we have to fight gays and Muslims.

        • James

          Homos are not only pedophile, they are terrorists as well as cannibals.

        • James

          We do not hate Christianity. We do, however, oppose the misuse of the Bible to try to justify injustice. Genuine Christians do not oppose marriage equality, because genuine Christians believe in treating all people fairly.

      • chitop bin

        LOL…Totally!!

    • Jae Marie

      “Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!”
      …….they did……..

      • Joshua Thomas

        So you can loby or sue some one for not catering your fucked up gay wedding. but its not ok for church’s try and stop you using your own tatick? Russia is doing the right thing stoping this gay movement in its traks.

      • BugaBuga

        God calls homosexuality an abomination. Have you heard that He has changed his mind yet????

      • Clay Fitzgerald

        Really? When? Which churches, mosques, temple, synagogue or other house of worship did this happen to? Just asking.

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    • Any mosques that “lobby [i.e. political activity] to have freedoms and rights taken away” would certainly have their 501(c)3 status revoked.

      Muslims have the right to preach within the mosques against gays without fear, but then, so do Christian churches.

      • Live Free or Die

        But we don’t.

        • We haven’t?? Name a mosque that is engaging in political activity that has kept it’s 501(C)3 designation…

          • tnetcenter

            All of them? No one is attacking muslims for THEIR homosexual views while Christians are now under CONSTANT attack!

          • No one is attack Christians for their VIEWS. They are being attacked for trying to force those views on other people.

          • tnetcenter

            Better try again! The owners of Memories Pizza weren’t trying to force their VIEWS on anyone. They simply answered a loaded question from a reporter. Then the despicable attacks started!

            That’s not OK and that’s NOT “FORCING” your views on anyone. If homosexuals don’t like the message, they don’t have to listen. Threats, especially DEATH threats are illegal and I hope that every one of the low-life scum that made them winds up in prison.

    • Mark Kuykendall

      LGBT militants are like bullies throughout history. They’re cowards.

      • Kimmie Collier

        When did you choose to be straight? Any of you so called CHRISTIANS who bash people who are born different than you? get educated. Hmmm I guess in your minds its a sin to be black, red, yellow, brown? Anything but what you think is normal. Yep biggots. I have no time for Archie Bunker types. People can be born with all kinds of abnormalities if that’s what you want to call them but when it comes to one sexual identity our sexuality it’s a no no why ? insecure? Don’t bother replying. You’re not worth my time. I choose to pray for you and your sins.

    • Live Free or Die

      Because Christians are an easier target. Peaceful. Turn the other cheek etc.
      Wait until these fools realize that they are helping to usher in the Muslims and their religion. THEIR religion will require the LGBT crowd to be stoned. To death. “Useful idiots” is the term they should acquaint themselves with. It’s what they are. They’re helping to usher in their own demise. And they’re so self involved, they don’t even realize it.
      I thought gay meant happy and carefree. Why must they infringe on everyone else’s rights and freedoms? We don’t care what you’re doing. It’s your soul.

      • Clay Fitzgerald

        Well, if these so called LGBT’ers come after this Christian, they’ll find out that I can be at least as or even more vengeful than any Islamic jihadist.

        • Kimmie Collier

          I’m a gay christian female. U sir are a bully. Lol. I’m scared.

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Did I hurt your poor little feelings there, Kimmie? Too bad, if you’re a practicing homosexual/lesbian, then you’re living in sin and your redemption is only if you give up the life style and pray for redemption.
            I am willing to live and let live if you and your ilk would give me the same respect and courtesy, but if you come after me, condemn me or try to coerce me in any way I will defend my self, my family and my property to any extent I need to. That goes for anyone that would attempt to do me any harm. If that make me a bully in your eyes, well… ask me if I really care what you think.

      • feduppianoman

        The cancer of Islam is also a self imposed punishment by progressives for abortion. They murder their own spawn, or can’t have them because they are gay while Muslims breed faster than rabbits. All of their precious rights are going to be replaced with 7th century barbarism. They can laugh now, but there are a lot of people who will realize this in their life times.

    • wralford

      The Left refuses to criticize or even mention Islamic atrocities against homosexuals, women and even little girls because their mutual hatred for capitalism and the United States trumps all else.

    • Larry Johnson

      This problem will be solved if the Muslims take over. I do not think they will put up with them and this is their way of getting them out in the open.

    • Concerned

      I’m wondering why the LGBT’s don’t ask the Muslims to marry them? The LGBT’s are clearly confused about the difference between Religious Freedom and their various options for getting married or receiving special services. They clearly want their religion (whatever it is) to be forced on other religions, which is not a right but is closer to the tantrum of a 3-year old. When you have other options, your rights are not being violated.

    • Imyerhuckleberry

      Rear of losing their head comes to mind.

    • noname

      fear

    • MacFly1

      …because its a satanist agenda, IndyMason. You’re a satanist, aren’t you? Sure you are.

      • IndyMason

        Agnostic if you must know.

    • Thunderbolt

      because the d evil controls both the LGBT crowd and the m uslims a false r eligion.

    • Steve

      Gays often only see what’s in it for themselves sexually at the moment and have no problems attacking what they see as an easy target. They care little about the beliefs of others who differ from them except maybe when its a funding parent. They have become the oppressors these days but they are afraid of muslims because they are politically correct. Christians ought to be more forceful as Christ had to be at times. I’ve often had to work around gays in my line of work in healthcare and find them to be generally selfish and malicious people. They would love to have their homosexual ways sanctioned by law and shoved down everybody’s throat to establish some sort of decadent society where they were more accepted in order to absolve their personal guilt and self-loathing.

    • rene

      That’s a good question

    • GetAware

      That is irrelevant to the article.

      Stay on topic.

      • IndyMason

        What you mean is “That is destructive to the narrative, don’t mention it.”

        • GetAware

          No.

          I say what I mean & I mean what I say.

          Your comment is irrelevant to the article, period.

          • IndyMason

            It is relevant, it shows the double standard. You don’t have to agree with me, but don’t tell me I can’t express my opinions.

          • IndyMason

            You may mean what you say, but that doesn’t mean you are right.

          • IndyMason

            You can take your whole 65 comment troll christian bashing account and just piss off for all I am concerned. Before you say “How very christian of me” realize I am not a christian and don’t claim to be.

          • IndyMason

            wrong. period.

          • IndyMason

            My comment was in reply to a comment that was left by another person and then later deleted. It was indeed very relevant to their comment and I have no control over them deleting their comment. So why don’t you concern yourself with your own comments and try not to police the rest of us so much.
            Typical liberal, doesn’t want anyone dictating what they can do but aren’t at all bashful when it comes to telling you what to do.

    • Audra Chaney

      I don’t understand why they want to close down our churches when they’re opposing our beliefs as well.

    • John Dooley

      Because they know the truth in their hearts, that Jesus is the Savior of the world and that He is their judge, not Mohammed or Allah. They know that the Bible is God’s Holy Word, not the Koran.

      • IndyMason

        More likely that they don’t want to lose their heads.

    • BusinessMomOf5

      Islam will.be hand in hand in the Catholic Church come end times

      • IndyMason

        Says you.

        • BusinessMomOf5

          Not me. GOD

      • IndyMason

        If you say so….

      • IndyMason

        I’m Agnostic, this means nothing at all to me. I do know I haven’t seen any Catholics beheading, burning, drowning or thowing anyone from building roofs lately.

        • BusinessMomOf5

          Not yet. But, since the pope is rubbing elbows with the muslims, it shouldn’t be too long for you to wait.

    • Rosen Otter

      Because, here in the US, Muslims aren’t calling for the deaths of Gays. They aren’t tossing them off buildings here, or hanging them here. Say, wasn’t an evangelical christian trying to get the death penalty passed for homosexuality recently, here in the US?

      • IndyMason

        Then go to a Mosque and try to get married dumb ass.

      • IndyMason

        Then try going to a Mosque for a gay wedding.

    • RichardLW

      Ah, because only 0.9% of Americans are Muslim, vs over 70% of Americans which identify as Christian. Therefore Islam does not directly effect them.

    • RichardLW

      Because… The religious stats of the US are.
      0.9% Muslims
      70.9% Christians

      Therefore, Islam does not effect the LGBT community in the US, Christians do. That’s why.

      • IndyMason

        Then go to a Muslim bakery and ask them to cater your gay wedding…

        • RichardLW

          Did you not understand my comment? Or are you deflecting. Here, read it again.

          “Islam does not effect the LGBT community in the US, Christians do.”

          I’ve never come across a Muslim bakery anyway.

          You need to put things into perspective. Statistics are good, they debunk common myths.

          • IndyMason

            I completely understand that you are generalizing and lumping ALL Christians into one category because SOME people who call themselves Christians have behaved in a way you dislike.

          • RichardLW

            The main stumbling block towards marriage equality for example are the Christian Right. That’s a big and very vocal block. That’s not generalising, that’s reality.

            I can think of a few other examples too, like the fight against comprehensive sex ed. Stats show that abstinence only based sex ed does not work and leads to higher teen pregnancy rates than comprehensive sex ed. Who else is meddling in the education system in that manner, with the end result being increased teen pregnancy?

            I think you underestimate the damage that even well meaning religious based views can have.

          • IndyMason

            I think you overestimate how much I care… have a good day.

          • RichardLW

            You should care. Everyone should strive to understand an issue to the greatest depth.

            That’s why there are so many religious folk. They blindly follow, even when what they follow is the height of irrationality.

        • RichardLW

          On the topic of statistics, did you know that army veterans are over 7 times more likely to go to jail for [non immigration related] crimes than illegal immigrants.

          There are currently 700,0000 army veterans incarcerated, yet only 76,000 of all people incarcerated are non US citizens.

          How’s that for an uncomfortable reality?

          • IndyMason

            Change the subject… deflect… deflect…. Go to a Muslim bakery and have them cater your gay wedding.

          • RichardLW

            Well, it is changing the topic, but not the umbrella of thought. It shows you the concept of statistics and how they can and should change the discussion.

            You showed no understanding of that concept in your initial statement. So I decided to correct the error of your ways.

            I don’t think I could find a Muslim bakery, and I know of most of the local joints. So yeah, not gonna happen. It’s outside the realm of possibility.

          • IndyMason

            Found an example for ya… Google is really easy to use, sorry you limit the realm of your possibilities so easily. It’s almost as if you want to ignore the question all together. At any rate, write whatever contrite remark you wish as I am letting you easily have the last word (I’m bored with you and this). Have a nice day.

          • RichardLW

            Pity, was only just warming up.

            I find the question irrelevant in a real world and statistical/logical manner.

          • IndyMason
          • RichardLW

            And here you have an example of a badly written article.

            If you look at it from a logical and statistical manner, it is dishonest.

            A. With 0.9 percent of the population being Muslim and 70.9% being Christian, that makes an ideal world ratio of 70 Christian businesses to every Muslim owned business. Therefore 70 times more opportunity for discrimination and these videos.

            B. Any business can refuse business. But if they say, we refuse your business based on the fact the potential customers are [insert race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc], then it is discrimination.

            Two extremely important, if not the most important points.

            Do you understand now?

  • Rainbows or Reality

    So let us round them all up and drop them off at the nearest mosque and let the muslims deal with them.. Problem solved and no one would say a word.

  • Lynn Hubbard

    Does anyone else see the irony in the picture? A woman holding a sign that says “Freedom means freedom for everyone”. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    • marg

      Freedom for everyone, as long as you agree with them!!!

      • avengeflipper

        It’s like “Animal Farm” in real life.

        • Clay Fitzgerald

          Yes, the parallels are uncanny.

    • Jon Harrison

      The issue is constitutional. As it stands, religious organizations are not to interfere with the workings of the government, and vice versa. When a church petitions the government to legislate a moral code, that’s abusing its position in society. It’s also an abuse for a preacher to stand in the pulpit and tell parishioners that if they don’t vote a certain way, they are inviting Satan to dinner.

      My reading of the post is simple: when a church decides to not behave like a church and instead to behave like a corporate lobbyist, then stop reading it like a church and treat it like a corporation. Boom.

      • Ace Smith

        Actually Jon, you’re as ignorant as you are stupid. Show me in the Constitution where it states the Church can’t “interfere” as you state, with the workings of the Government? The Constitution only states that the Government will not interfere with religious freedoms. Even the phrase “Separation of Church and State” does not exist in the Constitution, which is the very phrase that most who are ignorant of our religious roots like to spout. The reality of it is that religion played an important role in the formation of our government and should continue to be a part of it. As we remove God more and more from Government and society in general, we continue to see even more moral decline. In closing, let me ask you a question Jon: If we the people, have inalienable rights endowed by our creator as Thomas Jefferson stated, then should those who don’t believe in God and his word have those rights?

        • Eric

          We see more moral decline as God is removed more and more?

          Hardly. Even a brief glimpse at American history disproves that statement.

          • tnetcenter

            You need to pull your head out of the sand and open your eyes! Moral decline has been going on for decades, however, in the last 6 years it has accelerated rapidly! 10 years ago, NO Christians in the USA were being persecuted, today it’s going on constantly!

            A couple of nights ago, I watched a movie on cable that was so over the top that it would not have been released even 5 years ago. It started with the F-bomb dropping so often they were in effect carpet bombing with it. It went downhill from there. I wouldn’t have continued watching it on that basis alone, except that as the movie progressed they were doing and saying ever more outrageous things to the point that my curiosity was aroused to see what else they were going to do. I finally turned to another channel, but I probably watched about half of the movie before doing so. Unbelievable! Violence and profanity on TV and in the movies has reached epidemic levels – if that isn’t a moral decline nothing is! And that is just the tip of the iceberg as it were!

          • Eric

            Sorry, I had to put ice on my sides from laughing so hard.

            Seriously, that was some of the funniest, ignorant and misinformed ranting I’ve ever seen.

            “Violence and profanity on TV and in the movies has reached epidemic levels – if that isn’t a moral decline nothing is!”

            Sorry, I think slavery kind of tops bad words on tv. But you’re funny, maybe take up a show and get paid for this?

          • tnetcenter

            There aren’t enough liberals around with the intelligence to understand my humor to make it financially viable. TV and the movies are just examples of the rampant moral decline occurring before our very eyes. You just have to OPEN them to see.

          • Eric

            Open my eyes?

            Well, let’s see…

            I can watch the History Channel and learn about slavery, which was around when America was (by your logic) more moral.

            Let’s see… yeah, it was very “moral” for women not having the right to vote.

            It was also pretty “moral” to hit women 60+ years ago.

            Never mind things like Salem Witch Trials, Japanese Internment Camps, KKK and the rest of the lovely past we’ve built this land of God on.

            I believe in Christ. Christ would never have owned a single slave. Ever. Yeah, we were totally more moral back then. 😉

          • Tommy Hudspeth

            Oh yes you totaly protray a christ follower, I am still trying to find where the church teaches the beating of women and slavery, I also tried to find out where in the church they imprisoned japanese people, yes those same people who’s homeland attacked the US, or where it gave the democrats the ok to start a group like the KKK, yes this world is full of false teaching idiots like you, who speak with a little of intellegency but really are nothing more than a snake, oh yes continue your moral ranting because you show you know nothing about moral values.

          • Eric

            Last I looked… I don’t think I mentioned the church at all, did I? No, don’t think I did.

            Y’know, reading comprehension is a funny thing (something you probably haven’t learned yet), as it’s something you need to understand what’s being said, because clearly you have no idea what was said.

            Do I need to walk you through it cupcake? Or maybe, just maybe, you’d like to dumb down the stupidity a notch on your end, take a moment to grab a sip of water and harken back to Ye Olde English school and try to piece together what was actually said.

            Don’t want to take that time? Fine, I’ll do it for you:

            What they said (paraphrased… look it up, I’m sure you’ll need to):

            There’s more moral value back in the good ol’ days when Christ was still present.

            What I said (again, paraphrased):

            That’s incorrect. When Christ was still present, these bad things still happened.

            Note, I did NOT say that the church told people to do it, supported it or preached about it. What I DID say, however, was that when the church was more prevalent (such as open prayer being allowed in school), the things I listed were happening.

            You’re right though, the world is full of false teaching idiots… it’s just a shame though that when you say that, you’re speaking of yourself, not me. Why are you speaking of yourself? Because all you saw on my post was the words “Christ,” “moral” and then a list of bad things. You have ZERO idea of what context or reading comprehension is.

            And that’s why you’re an idiot.

          • Dennis

            Agreed. We have gotten so full of ourselves we have lost sight of how we got this freedom to begin with. Moral decay led to the downfall of every empire.

        • Jae Marie

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
          what we see is that the Church can interfere because that would be the government respecting an establishment of religion. even though the phrase separation of church and state doesn’t appear in the Constitution the idea does. and the reason that people who believe in God don’t have the right to deny others service on “the basis of religion” (though I was under the impression that under the Christian God we were to love everyone) is because the right to be treated equally comes first and for most. the inalienable rights that Thomas Jefferson was talking about were Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. you will notice that that does not include freedom of religion, that is no an inalienable right which is why it had to be wrote down in the constitution.

          • Marjohna

            People do have the right to deny service, because they are not slaves. There is no right to be treated equally by other people, just government entities, which businesses and the people who create and run them are not. The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness all mean the right to one’s religion as well as the right to form and operate a business however one pleases, and if you studied the history of the people who came to this land, there is no way you could not understand that.

          • Donna

            Get this through your thick – unreasonable little head – no one is denying anyone services. People are DECLINING TO PARTICIPATE in certain activities. Since WHEN do I have to do anything for you? I am pretty sick of this whole thing! It was less than 15 years ago homosexuals were considered by the medical community to be mentally ill. It was through intense lobbying and a lot of money being thrown at it that it was removed as an illness. Guess what! It is STILL an illness! I will not accept it, I will not participate in it, I will not pretend that it is normal, I will not allow it to be “taught” to my children, I will not support it. And that is just the way it is. Make all the laws you want. I will follow what I believe is right. Homosexuality is a disgusting, immoral, destructive lifestyle that is CHOSEN. YOU live with your choices. I don’t have to live with YOUR choices.,

          • allblues

            Bravo, Donna. My sentiments exactly.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Since the 1940’s and 50’s psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who worked with gay and lesbian clients realized that they were not mentally sick, as had been assumed in earlier times. In 1973 homosexuality was finally officially removed from the list of mental disorders. In the 42 years since then, a great deal of evidence shows that sexual orientation is biological. For the past 20 years, brain scans have shown there are visible differences in certain parts of the brain for homosexuals vs heterosexuals. And for the past decade brain scans of fetuses show these differences form in utero. Every medical association in the free world has explained that sexual orientation is not a choice.

            Even the unscientific faith-based ‘sexual conversion therapists” who claim they can cure homosexuality have stated clearly that nobody chose to be homosexual. Those therapists blame childhood traumas.

            The only people who claim homosexuality is a choice are those who live in self-segregated communities and don’t want to understand they are merely prejudiced.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Get this through your thick head, the businesses that are declining services are NOT saying “We don’t cater weddings”, they are saying “We don’t cater weddings for gays”. That is discriminatory right on the face. If a business doesn’t wish to provide services to LBGT people, then the only way to not be discriminatory is to not provide those services at all, to anyone. If any business cannot abide by this, then they need to have their business license revoked and find another line of work.

          • tnetcenter

            Catering a homosexual wedding by a Christian is a direct violation of the faith. The SAME faith that the Constitution guarantees us the right to practice, NOT practice parts of, but practice the whole thing. There are plenty of bakeries that would be more than happy to cater a homosexual wedding, and there’s likely some Christian bakery owners in there that would as well. If a Christian wants to refuse to participate in the evil immoral activities of homosexuals – THEN THAT IS THEIR RIGHT! Government should NOT be forcing ANYONE to participate in activities which fly in the face of their faith!

          • Mike Mitchell

            No, it is not…. Show me the passage in the bible that states catering a gay wedding is a sin. You can’t because it’s not in there. If your statement is true, then Jesus violated the faith by consorting with a prostitute. If that is also true, then your own faith violates itself and is therefore null and void… You are attempting to redefine god’s words to be inline with your thinking. Pretty presumptuous if you ask me…

          • tnetcenter

            The Bible is quite clear in that loving homosexuals (actually loving EVERYBODY) is the way we are to conduct ourselves. By the same token though, it also says we are not to enter into business with those that practice evil. Therefor catering a homosexual wedding is definitely not approved! I could provide the verse(s), but you should search for them yourself in a real Bible. Can’t hurt, it’s just a book right?

          • Mike Mitchell

            Sorry to burst your bubble, but nowhere in the Bible does it say not to enter into business with homosexuals. You aren’t providing the verses, because they don’t exist. You are choosing to interpret portions of the bible that way, but that is not the literal meaning of the words. It is you that is defining homosexuality as evil, not the bible. Your answer also brings us back to the second part of my post. If consorting with evil is forbidden, then Jesus broke god’s law and made a sham of your entire belief system.

            Now a quick lesson in logic 101, burden of proof is on the person asserting that something is so, anything asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

          • Phillip Cole

            Then you shouldn’t enter into business with a liar, thief, prostitute, adulterer, fornicator, etc. When are you gonna start refusing service to these types of persons?

          • Mike Mitchell

            “Catering a homosexual wedding by a Christian is a direct violation of the faith”… Can you show me the passage in the bible that says that? If that is true, Jesus violated the faith by consorting with a prostitute. If he violated the faith, then the faith is a violation in and of itself, and is thereby null and void. You are redefining the bible to say it says what you want it to say, to give you a feeling of superiority. Either the bible is full of crap, in which case you can define it however you want, or it is the word of god and you are presuming to tell god what he meant… I need to meet you sometime, since you know what god meant better than he did.

          • Jerry Reiter

            During HIs life, Christ always spoke against smug, self-righteous religious conservatives, but never one word against gays.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Donna, if you think sexual orientation is a choice, just try changing yours.

          • bonaventure

            There is no such thing as “sexual orientation.” Orientation means direction towards the East.

            However, every person is born sexual: a male is born to be attracted to females, and vis-versa. How one chooses to act with his/her sex is another story — to keep it as intended (male-female) or to pervert it. And then, it is easy to make believe that one’s unnatural sexual choices are not a disorder or a perversion.

            You live in a delusion, and to judge by your posts, you’ve been living in this delusion since childhood. But hey, the most notorious criminals in history “accepted” their criminal inclinations in childhood, and then fully acted on them later in life.

          • Jerry Reiter

            I was raised with the same old prejudices you were. I wasted over $40,000 in gay conversion therapy, ex-gay ministries, even demon deliverance nonsense only to hear the long-time leaders of the largest and oldest 2 ex-gay ministries admit nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual. And every medical association agrees: sexual orientation is not a choice. If you don’t believe the experts, it is merely because of your ugly human prejudice. God loves homosexuality enough to have created some people fabulous.
            Homosexuality is a gift from God. Repent of your homophobia.

          • bonaventure

            “Homophobia” is a construct of political repression against those who believe that marriage is only the union of one man and one woman.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Then let’s just call you what you are, a hateful bigot who misuses the name of Christ to justify his own ugly human prejudice.

          • Jerry Reiter

            I guess you have been called “homophobe” so many times (during your nearly 20,000 comments) that you sting more than a little. The truth hurts.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Bonaventure: you are a consummate anti-intellectual with a sadistic streak. You are astoundingly ignorant and dehumanizing. So, let’s put this in simplistic terms. Somewhere in life, people begin to realize they are attracted to one sex or the other, with some in the middle. Brain scans show the visible differences in certain brain areas of heterosexuals as opposed to homosexuals. Brain scans of fetuses show those visible differences can be seen forming in utero. Sexual orientation is lifelong, changes may happen in some people, but not by choice. Being gay is just a different way of loving. You are so morally bankrupt you can’t see the difference between men kissing one another and killing one another. Your sickness is dying out. Nearly all young people recognize your views as prejudice.

          • Christian

            Christians do not refuse services for sinners. We refuse to participate in sinful situations.
            When the prostitute that Jesus saved from being stoned spoke to him. Jesus said sin no more.
            Christians have the right to refuse to participate in sin.

          • Phillip Cole

            How can providing a cake be a sin? By that same token when are you gonna refuse service to people who divorce and remarry after cheating on their wives with their new spouse? How about the wall street banker who stole millions and is now getting married? We could on on and on.

          • Ole SC

            Christians do treat “People” equal but may not treat immoral and abnormal behavior equal to moral and normal behavior. I’m sure that if you meet and person that you know is a criminal and would be subject to stealing from you or robbing you that you “do” treat them differently.

          • 48vince

            You are not only wrong, but you are also clearly brainwashed. Such a fusillade of incorrect and fallacious ideas and assertions is normally only found among the ignorant elite class in the democrat party, the major media and in the terminally ill culture of academia. Anyone who has been educated in American history prior to the 1980’s ( I date from the 50’s and 60’s) will immediately recognize the nonsense that you are spouting.

            And by the way, attempting to impose “equality” is always a futile and destructive exercise, which is the reason that the Founders did NOT include it with “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” just as they rejected the Jacobin mania which was then sweeping Europe and which would later lead to the gratuitously bloodthirsty French Revolution.

            Quit making up trash about our Founders and about the Constitution and learn some real history!

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Jae, you are another that really doesn’t understand the freedoms of the Bill of Rights. There is no protection from being denied service from a private entity stated, inferred or implied anywhere in the Constitution. The civil rights laws passed in the 1960s and 70s were proper in the part that they prevented government at any level from discriminating or supporting discrimination, but went too far when they started to mandate that private business must provide goods and services thereby denying their right to free association. Not that it would be a good business decision, but it should be a private decision to deny service to anyone for any reason.

        • Jon Harrison

          Seriously, @Ace? You were taught that the best way to have discourse is to call your thoughtful opponent both ignorant and stupid in the opening response? You should learn to perceive how others see you. It might modify for timbre, if not your temper.

          The constitution of a church cannot include the political legislative aspects. If so, it will not earn the IRS 501(c)(3) tax designation. The church is free to save its congregant’s souls from whatever threats it touts each Sunday, but when the preacher preaches politics and asks for votes, that’s out of bounds. It’s been this way for, well, pretty much forever.

          Have a lovely day, Ace. You seem like a very sweet young women who has probably heard a few two many old geezers complaining about the world after chugging a bottle our two. Trust me, the works ain’t that bad as they make it out to be. Go find out for yourself. It’s pretty exciting to meet strangers from all over the world and to learn that their lives and desires and needs are pretty much just like your own!

          • raybbr

            “The church is free to save its congregant’s souls from whatever threats
            it touts each Sunday, but when the preacher preaches politics and asks
            for votes, that’s out of bounds.”

            What, exactly, does that mean? There many examples of progressive politicians preaching from the “pulpits” of black churches and not one of them has been shut down or challenged in the court of law. Show us an example of a church that allowed someone to court voters and then was prosecuted for it.

          • Jon Harrison

            This entire post is from the “Restore America” website:

            Restore America was founded in 1999 to mobilize Evangelical and Born Again Christians in America to register and vote in every election.

            Clearly, the founding Fathers intended and expected Christians to participate in as well as lead in the political process.

            What Churches May Not Do:

            • Endorse candidates directly or indirectly from the pulpit on behalf of the church.
            • Contribute funds or services (such as mailing lists or office equipment) directly to candidates or political committees.
            • Distribute materials that clearly favor any one candidate or political party.
            • Pay fees for partisan political events from church funds.
            • Allow candidates to solicit funds while speaking in church.
            • Set up a political committee that would contribute funds to political candidates.

          • raybbr

            Okay. Again. Show me where one church that hosted Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, Obama, or any other progressive politician was held to account for their “preaching” from the pulpit? I thought your point was that churches should be held to account for these types of actions?

          • Guest

            Except for black churches

          • carolisme

            Too many of you are confusing Christianity with the building called a church…The church is a convenience that brings Christians together, it is not the embodiment of the religion that can flourish in anyone’s hearts in any place they choose. All this talk of losing tax status, and the need of money to remain in business is superfluous to the issue….
            You may eliminate every building in the country, and still not make a dent in the religion that lives only in the heart.

          • K Edwards

            seriously Jon get a life , read your history

          • wandamurline

            Sometimes, they must tell the congregation about the POS’s in government as the propaganda news media will not do anymore.

          • Donna

            The “rules” for exempt status were put into place to keep the Church the quiet. I for one, would tell the government to stick their exempt status where the sun doesn’t shine. Close the doors, and meet on the grass in my front yard. I will say whatever I please, to whomever I please – and if you don’t like it – to damn bad – I have a right to my opinion, I have a right to discuss my opinion with others – you have the right not to agree – you don’t have the right to silence me through intimidation, bribery or by any other means.

          • john_koenig

            Never seen the activities of black churches, have you? Straight up politics in the pulpits and the IRS never lays a hand on them.

          • Vivan

            Tell that to Jesse Jackson & Sharpton

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Wrong again, Jon boy! It was through a piece of legislation, H.R. 2357 that was designed to revise IRS code to remove restrictions placed on churches and non-profit organizations in 1954 by then-Senator Lyndon Johnson. Prior to 1954, churches and non-profits had no such restrictions on their freedom of speech or their right to speak out in favor or against political issues or candidates.

        • Mike Mitchell

          Ace, you like to cherry-pick your law like you most likely cherry-pick your bible verses. The body of the constitution is NOT the sole source of constitutional law. As far as your claim that the country was founded on religious principles, I will simply ask this, were you there? Or can you read minds from the past and determine what the intent was of the founding fathers? Since the answer to both those questions is negative, you are simply spouting your opinion, not fact. A very biased opinion at that.

          • Yanksta

            Mike,
            One need not have been around at the founding to know what the Founders thought. Personal letters, and public speeches are available to any who care to learn what the Founders thought.

            By the logic you are using we cannot know anything with certainty that we ourselves did not witness. Example: Did Lincoln utter the Gettysburg Address or not? Since you weren’t there, stating that he did is only your opinion. In the same manner by which you will defend the notion that Lincoln did in fact utter the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863, we an also defend the notion that our country was founded on religious principles.

          • Christian

            It is funny how little people actually do know about George Washington. George Washington in his inaugural speech mentions God three times. His inauguration took place at St. Pauls Church in New York. The same site of 911. Funny how it was only that church that stood standing on that entire block after the attacks. That is not a coincidence. George Washington dedicated this country to God in his speech.
            In his speach are the following sentences as proof; he says, “Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. (His dedication to this nation to God)
            No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. (Free choice)
            Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained” (Washingtons belief that God will frown upon a nation that disregards HIS order and rule).
            So you accusation that Ace is just spouting opinion has no merit. You are the one that spouted opinion. Look up his hand written inaugural speech in the Nation’s archives yourself. I assure you it is written clearly and is legibly readable. If you understand anything about the English language than fact is fact and can be proven here.

          • Christian

            I actually made a mistake when I said free choice. The word “no” is missing in front of free choice. What I meant to say is that George Washington basically said all citizens of the United States should be bound to acknowledge and adore God.

          • Mike Mitchell

            Let me tear this one apart in a very simple manner… An inauguration speech is a statement of personal opinion and preferences. It is NOT public policy. Whether George thanked god or not, personally, has nothing to do with laws and governmental policy. Government leaders are definitely allowed to have religious beliefs and opinions, but they are NOT allowed to try to make those beliefs into law…

          • Donna

            I see your public education did not do you any favors. Let me help you out a little. This is from snopes.com which is actually a “left-leaning” fact checker. Nonetheless, there are some things you just can’t hide. Look it up for yourself!
            Can I get an AMEN!!!!!

            As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world’s law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view — it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!

            As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!

            There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

            James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

            Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians…not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”.

            Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher…whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

            Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

            Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law…an oligarchy…the rule of few over many…

            The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, “Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”

          • Kevin Higginbotham

            Were you there?

          • Mike Mitchell

            Nope, and neither was any else here saying that they know what the founding fathers meant. While there are plenty of non-governmental documents that speak to the religiousness of the founding fathers, you will notice that they specifically excluded those views from the official government documents. They knew that including religion in policy/law making was a bad idea, so they didn’t put it in there. Since this group, on average, was extremely religious, them not including it in the Constitution is a pretty telling point that they deliberately left it out…

        • Cedric Ian Anthony

          Rights are for individuals. not based on religion, behavior, skin tone, or anything else.

        • A church has every right to lobby the government, just like a person.

          They just have to give up the privilege of being tax-exempt (just like a person)

      • Clay Fitzgerald

        I don’t believe you have the least understanding of the Constitution or the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights. The issues you bring up are not centered on the Constitution. but on a law written and sponsored by LBJ when he was in Congress. That law stands in contradiction to several aspects of the First Amendment regarding freedom of speech, religion and association.

      • Vivian

        Tell that to our founding fathers. Our laws, constitution, Bill of Rights, are all based on biblical teachings of the Christian and Judeo founding fathers.

      • Clifford Neeley

        This country was built on GOd and HIs religion THe church has every right to petition the Government–as for people telling them how to vote this is a trick the Democrats have use. And yes the church should have a Big say in the Moral code–otherwise who has morals/

        • Mike Mitchell

          A pure logical fallacy. Morals are inherent in a person’s thought processes, they are not forced by an external agency. Morals are learned behaviors, and religion is not the only way to learn morals.

      • True Blue Patriot

        Churches are not suppose to tell people who to vote for. But this has been violated on both sides forever.

      • Dennis

        Send your incredibly naive post to Rev Wrighth, Rev Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson. Oh, what’s that you say? They are different? In what way? They are ordained ministers yet NO ONE has challenged THEM on the separation of church and state grounds. I personally don’t believe that is what the Constitution means but since you clowns wanna play that dipstick game, then let’s get to it!

    • Ole SC

      She means freedom for everyone in her group of Homosexuals and that’s all. She certainly don’t mean freedom for Christians at all. Typical narcissistic psychopathic liberal speak!!

    • No one was a right to be tax-exempt.

    • Dennis

      That sign was meant to say “Freedom means freedom to do whatever you like.”

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  • Taryn Barrett Askey

    NOT defending or supporting, but the title says “shut down” and the tweet reads “501(c)3 status revoked”….the wording specifies that they should NOT be given a tax pass by the government. That is all…Many churches more make money than imaginable and could most definitely continue to preach to their followers even if they aren’t a “non-profit” (and I use that term lightly….). I feel like this is, again, another form of social media/media stirring the pot with misuse of the English language. Now had this article stated said revocation in it’s title and then proceeded to explained how that might cause churches to shut down, I might give support to the purpose of this post. IMHO (let the online arguments/name calling/cut downs begin)

    • marg

      “Many churches make more money then imaginable” Really? How many?? And do you have any idea what churches do with the money they get from DONATIONS? They 1. give to missions all over the world. 2. they support their denominations, and give to many different denominational outreaches across the country 3. they go to support the outreach of the church by supporting youth ministers who work hard to help the kids YOU have messed up over the years and 4 they pay their pastors some of the lowest pay you can imagine considering their education levels. The ones you see on tv are NOT your average pastor, or church. I should know…..I am married to a pastor and have struggled all our married life to make ends meet. I have a friend who had MUSHROOMS growing off the walls of her house because it was not kept up properly by the church. So go ahead, tell me again just how much money the “average” church rakes in……you don’t know what you are talking about.

      • Taryn Barrett Askey

        Please Marge, read the typed word. First let’s start with the word “many”…. I did NOT say “all” nor did I say “average”. I DO know what I’m talking about. I have seen many Churches make tons of money all in the name of the Lord. Your experiences do not speak for all churches. Second, do not attempt to offend me by adding me to your list of people who have “messed kids up”. Mine is 14, straight A student that plays golf and had manners better than most (and yes I said most) adults! And I raised two step-sons, one 24 that now owns his own company and one 26 that has found his purpose in life and is happy. I’d say I am doing a pretty damn good job “raising my children”.
        Back to the subject. I wish ALL churches would help as much as the ones you speak about! I know many that do help immensely, with much sacrifice, but there ARE many churches (and no not the ones on TV, although they are now because they have taken so much money from their parishioners to justify creating a TV show) that take more than they should….. I am sorry that your life has been so difficult and that your friends home is in disarray, but do NOT jump on me and my opinion when, in fact, I DO know what I wrote! I chose my words wisely, and in support of the basis of my original comment, you, like the writer of this article, chose to take certain words and use them to prove your point regardess of it’s correlation to that of the word you chose.

      • TittieTwister

    • Straight

      Hey clown, churches are tax exempt. PoS liberal causes are funded by criminal democrats with tax payer $.

      • Taryn Barrett Askey

        Lol. You’ve again, proven in 2 short sentences… Thank you.

    • abbypatch

      Ask the ministers/pastors/priests etc. what their salaries are…you might be surprised. Does anyone know?

      In the past, they received nothing and whatever donations they received went to church repairs and as a wage. They got free housing. Period. I’m not saying it’s that way today but that’s the way it was in the past.

      So before anyone spews the hate for those who preach, they should find out what church donations really finance.

      • TittieTwister

        But why such a fuss, all of their treasure is in heaven waiting for them right?

  • Elizabeth Russell

    Our churches synod has already let us know that someone is trying to pass the law that churches who refuse to marry will lose their tax exemption. These people will stop at nothing,.

    • ScottinVA

      And it needs to be fought vigorously.

  • mtin

    Since gays won’t attack muslims under the threat of violence, maybe Christians should follow muslims example.

    • marg

      That’s not gonna happen.

      • mtin

        No because Christians despite being portrayed as monsters by gay people, they don’t believe that anyone should be put to death for being gay. So that makes them the perfect target.

        • TittieTwister

          Christians aren’t monsters, they are just deluded along with the other religious people of the world. However, Christians have a promising record of adapting and evolving according to scientific enlightenment, at least in very large degrees overall. So consider it a compliment when Christians are criticized, it means they can still be somewhat reasoned with.

        • Kimmie Collier

          GENERALIZATIONS OF ANY GROUP MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL. PERIOD.

        • Kimmie Collier

          NOT ALL GAY PEOPLE HATE CHRISTIANS. HOW CAN WE HATE OURSELVES? LOL SMH

  • Churches that engage in political activities should actually have their tax exempt status revoked.

  • Harry_the_Horrible

    Funny how homosexuals never seem to take this sort of stance against Moslems and Islam…

    • Joel Rivera

      Because they’re pansy ass chickensh*t cowards.

    • Mybarkingdog

      I’m not sure, Harry but it could be because “Moslems and Islam” are not passing laws to discriminate against LGBT people. Its supposed “Christians”.

      • Sons of Liberty

        They would pass the laws if they had the numbers. In countries dominated by muslims, gays are executed.

        • Mybarkingdog

          Exactly why we need to continue to have separation of church and state. I don’t want to live in a country run on somebody’s interpretation of Biblical law any more than I’d want to live under Sharia.

          • Sons of Liberty

            I don’t want a country where 3 percent of the population can impact the majority.

          • Mybarkingdog

            You’ll either have to live with it or move. In their wisdom the Founders set the nation up to prevent tyranny of the majority and so the smallest minorities, be they gay, Amish or whatever to have the same rights as the rest of us.
            Secondly, that 3 percent has parents, relatives, friends and allies so the interest group for gay rights is currently the majority of the population.

          • Guest

            Gay is not a religion. Gay is in no way a majority. Friends, family included.

          • Sons of Liberty

            No…I’ll never move. I fight the system from within.

          • Judy

            All sinners. To condone sin is in its self. We are not to support sin but to advise people of their sinful ways. If you can’t get them to repent you are to ignore them.

          • Donna

            lolol no it is NOT. I know several gay people who do not have the support of their family and the only friend support they have are the ones they are “sleeping with”.

          • Omnivour

            interesting that you chose 3%….do you know who the 3% were…are you aware that when the American Revolution began only 3% of the population was willing to fight against British Rule in our country…3%…not a very big number for such an amazing outcome

          • Sons of Liberty

            The American revolution needed someone to start the fireworks (such as my handle, Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty). But, they garnered mass support for the cause. They didn’t want the a king across the Atlantic making rules for the majority.

      • Harry_the_Horrible

        Nope. They just throw them off of buildings and call for their extermination.

        • Mybarkingdog

          We were talking about the USA, weren’t we?

          • Donna

            so am I

      • Clay Fitzgerald

        But it isn’t Christians sponsoring the legislation and the iterations of the Religious Freedom Restoration Acts around the country and in Federal law make no mention of any religion or denomination. But bear in mind that the admonishments in Islam regarding homosexuality have death as punishment.

  • Sharon Kutz

    Do you know how many Christian churches do the jobs the Gov’t won’t? From soup kitchens to homeless sanctuaries, they contribute much, with no acknowledgement.

  • Apartheid World

    Will not be long before the Atheists go full ISIS. Atheists are a cult just like every other religious faction but just more vile. I’m no religion etc. and I hate the fact I’m lumped into the Atheists cult and propaganda machine.

    • TittieTwister

  • Thomas Kane

    In the end days the forces of the antichrist will make war against Christians and the church!

    • TittieTwister

      Ah yes, the last days! lmao

  • Miki Paulo

    The whole group of them are going to push too hard, one too many times & the political supports of gay rights will have their proverbial heads rolling down the aisles of Congress!! We Christians are tolerant, but only to a point! When anyone really messes with our churches & our freedom of religion we will put a stop to it!!

  • Joel Rivera

    I don’t know what’s worse….Islamo fascists who are murdering Christians by the thousands or the tolerantly intolerant Gaystapo who are running amok trying to force conformity to their lifestyle and resorting to threats to get what they want? These are challenging yet troubling times.

    • TittieTwister

      It’s the end of the world, run, run for your life while you can! lmao. What a paranoid kook you are.

      • Joel Rivera

        Who’s crying? I just call it like I see it and what I see is a faceless coward with a fake name. Afraid much?

  • Kay Hall

    Wow, not too one way, is it?

  • aww phuuck

    They should be shut down and sued for discrimination!!

  • Jim

    Classic derail attempt at the end: “Hey, we aren’t nearly as bad as Muslims. Leave us alone and pick on them instead!” (Never mind that Muslims don’t have enough power in this country to be actively fighting gay rights on the same level, nor that the incidents mentioned that are attributed to Muslims don’t occur in this country.)

  • Talk about hate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The left, the Gay movement, are the Kettle calling the pot black……………………….ChrisTians DO NOT HATE GAYS, or any SINNERS, we want them to be saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then, who are the real H A T E R S?????????????????

    • Kimmie Collier

      IM GLAD YOU KNOW CHRISTIANS THAT DONT HATE. YOU HAVE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH…..TO FIND THE MINORITY. EXAMPLE:http://bluenationreview.com/watch-pastors-anti-gay-rant-caught-film-terrifying-hilarious/

      • Kimmie, I agree TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE A MINORITY………………The vast majority of professing ChrisTians are simply that “professing”, with no real relationship with Jesus ChrisT!!! And then some genuine Christians say and do stupid things, all true Christians are imperfect too…..WE ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD……***I personally am better than NO ONE, just a Saint saved EXCLUSIVELY BY GOD’S GRACE…………………….I do pray, God will bless you in everyway!!! If I may share:…………….The first girl I truly LOVED, turned out to be “GAY”, I asked her if she knew what the Bible said about HOMOSEXUALITY, she said yes, so I went NO FURTHER. To tell her how much I LOVED her, I told her, IF I COULD CHANGE WHAT THE BIBLE SAID ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, I WOULD DO IT FOR HER; but ended, I CAN NOT CHANGE WHAT GOD HAS SAID… Then I said as God continues to help me, He is more than willing to help you too…………………..I said I would NEVER BRING IT UP AGAIN……………She did every time we saw each other, and she would call herself truly bigoted words, that others might call her. I would ask her to stop………..Three or four months later she said SHE NEVER WANTED TO SEE ME AGAIN……I sent her a half-dozen roses…………And 35 years later we NEVER HAVE SEEN EACH OTHER………….I LOVE HER TO THIS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[[ I LOVE Kris VERY MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ]]] To this day, I pray for her and I would PRAISE GOD IF I WAS WRONG ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE, BECAUSE THEN SHE WILL BE IN HEAVEN!!! And if I’m right, THEN, I PRAISE GOD THAT I DID EVERYTHING IN LOVE AND COMPASSION TO WARN HER OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF SIN……………….

  • Galen Holyoake

    Take away tax exempt and watch the clergy tell the faithful exactly whom to vote for by name and party. Ha. Go ahead, make my day punk.

  • Hitman8D

    Losing tax exempt status does not equate being shut down.
    Weak click-bait.

  • schr8er

    SCREW THEM… just like the liberals we have in government… give them an inch they want the whole damn state…. IF you dont like the Church and its doctrines DONT GO THERE…. just like telling the PRIVATE business’s who they have to provide a service to… Dont like the baker because he/she believes it goes against their beliefs, buy some where else… DUMB SHITS….

  • Rosina Reifschneider- Metrolis

    Revoking the rights of Christians because they disagree with the LGBT community is a bit hypocritical don’t you think? The LGBT community is fighting to have their rights recognized while trampling the rights of Christians. Why should one groups rights infringe on the rights of the other group?

  • Gary Hastings

    Hey You homos Why don,t you move to Iran

    • TittieTwister

      Because citing even more extremely barbaric nations erases any moral responsibility on your end, right?

  • Fred Ruiz

    Y is it that they don’t want to be descriminated against gays, but now that this policy has past they want everybody to condem and not do buisness with anybody that supports the religious beliefs law, or wants them shut down or run out of towns, is that not discriminating aghast those businesses ? SMH

  • Tony Perseo

    You can’t fix stupid …

  • Tony Perseo

    Liberals: For freedom of speech and against bullying UNLESS THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU. Then they organize a hate mob that wants to punish you. See Rush Limbaugh, Chick-fil-A, Barilla pasta, etc, etc, etc

  • John Masters

    If the church itself lobbies, then yes, their tax exempt status should be revoked. Lobbying and religion are not the same thing.

  • Jerry Fleming

    Seems to me the LGBT needs to be shut down for extreme intolerance – they more so than the churches and many of the groups they rail against. The crap they espouse and love so dearly can still be offensive and against the tenets of church teachings. The constitution doesn’t mention anything about rights to be gay. And historically, Marriage was a religious rite, not a civil one. One got in the church and by the procedures and rules of the church. Those who didn’t want to abide by whatever rules the churches had in place didn’t get ‘married’, they lived together outside the rite of marriage…

  • Dean Ace Thomas

    OK, so the gays are mad because one gay guy can’t marry another gay guy and they THINK they are being discriminated against, maybe someone should inform them that a straight guy can’t marry another straight guy, so just where are they being discriminated against? Personally. I say, “let them marry, they should have to suffer just like the rest of us”

  • Wylie Hoggatt

    what happen to separation of church and state. Stop trying to tell the churches what they have to do.

  • My comments on this article, shared on facebook:

    There are also Christians all over the U.S. who believe gays should be stoned to death. You can’t take a few extreme cases and label an entire community as feeling a specific way. Liars disgust me, and manipulation of social events like this is just lying. Same as the GLBT community trying to say the RFRA is going to allow the KKK to rule Indiana, or for hate crimes like murder based on discrimination to go unchecked. It’s blown out of proportion, and a total misrepresentation of the actual story.

    This site gets paid for ad revenue and clicks. The more insane and audacious the headlines, the more profit. Lying for money is an old profession, and posting articles like these just furthers the agenda of said profiteers.

    Also, it seems that these churches are motivated by a government approved tax exempt status. Churches have already proven that this code is meaningless and can’t be enforced, that’s one of the main purposes of the Alliance Defending Freedom organization.

    “Gay group demands that Christian Churches be shut down,” is a click-bait headline. The truth is, “LGBT Activist tweets “Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!”

    One LGBT activist stating that he believes churches should have their tax exempt status revoked for dismissing what he believes to be a human right, makes perfect sense and is not anti-religious. There were people saying that about interracial marriage in the 70s and 80s. Interracial marriage did not have a majority approval in Christian churches until 1997.

    It’s the churches fault for relying on a 501(c)3 in the first place, but the headline of that article is horrendously false, and makes posters of the article look manipulative of the facts, and ignorant of the truth.

    Lines like ‘The largest gay group in one Western state is demanding that Churches who follow the Bible be shut down by the government.’

    Also a total fallacy. That is a flat out lie, with small packets of information manipulation present throughout. It’s insulting to an intellectually honest reader. That ‘Western State’ is Wyoming, the smallest State by population, but it makes it seem insignificant to post the true bolded line. Fallacies? 1. Large Gay Group. It was one dude. 2. Western state (say Wyoming, instead of ‘western state’), 3. Demanding? He posted his belief, based on his perceived rights. 4. Shut Down by the Government? More like, losing a tax perk.

    “An LGBT activist from Wyoming tweeted that churches that refuse to perform same sex marriages should lose their tax exempt status, then promptly deleted it.”

    That’s the accurate bolded line. When the leader of a gay rights group in a tiny State can’t tweet that churches should lose their tax exempt status without having to immediately delete it, don’t you think they’re not as powerful as everybody is constantly freaking out about?

    I am for honesty, especially by those who claim the Bible as their book. Waaaaaaay before we get to things like homosexuality, we should talk about lying, slander, and deceit.

  • InternetSavage

    That’s gay fasctivism for you.

  • Eric Carr

    Hey, churches have been pushing for contrary ideas to get shut down and/or banned for decades; but now that they are the ones BEING oppressed, it’s suddenly a big deal? Hypocrisy at its finest.
    Make churches pay taxes like everyone else, THEN give them a voice.

    • JohnWayne

      Maybe you need to go read a history book in addition to stop listening to MSNBC and go to a Christian Bible Church and report back to me how much hate you see taking place.

      So for you history lesson today I want you to go read up on Jesus and his persecution. Then read up on why religious persecution was one of the main factors in the forming of the colonies.

      • Wiggle D

        You will never find that ‘hate’ at a church. The people there are all the same sheep. I work almost every Sunday. You will see people and their true selves working with the public. The second they get out of those places, and they become monsters, forgetting all they supposedly stand for.

        Edit: Eric, these people have been doing this cr@p for longer than decades. When they had power, they did far worse things.

  • CitizenBrain

    Funny how atheists fight so vehemently against a God that they claim doesn’t even exist…

    • Lee Alfred Herzog

      Have to fight the crazies that follow a invisible being. Only because their sky daddy tells the good little sheep to hate others and in America that’s discrimination. Hating others for no reason but your mythological views is not allowed and we have to fight against it.

  • Lee Alfred Herzog

    Wait wait so the gays are asking Christians to cherry pick their bible even more? Why not most Christians cherry pick what they want to follow in their fictional book anyways. Whats new? I’m ex Christian so I know the cherry picking.

    If you went straight to the bible then all churches would be like the westboro baptist church. They are hate fiilled but actually follow the bible closer than anyone.

    • JohnWayne

      Your warped.

  • Jon Kaercher

    When are we going to stop these Fags from Bullying everyone, why are their freedoms more important than everyone else
    .

  • kingdmrle

    Signs of the times we are living in the last of the last seconds before Jesus returns. Repent for your sins and rejection of God almighty before its too late…FOREVER and EVER and EVER and EVer….

  • kingdmrle

    It is so interesting that the Muslims (ISIS sunnis, Shiites etc.), and all gays etc. are so against the Christians and now “shut down the churches” because they are so convicted by the Spirit of God and feel so uncomfortable by the very teachings that will one day Judge them.. You can definitely see the spirit of the anti-Christ working in their lives. So very sad!

  • Ray

    When churches loose Their tax exemptions we will be free to completely say and preach the truths that are in the Bible without fear that the government will have some sort of penalty on us. Real followers of Christ are not weak pacifists. We are an army. Christians will rule and reign with Christ forever and ever. God is only going to put up with sin for a little while. (Sodom and Gomorrah, The Arch and the flood) My God owns this world (He made it) and some things have to happen before he comes back. I feel sorry for the churches today that are in fear of loosing their money. More and more are getting out of debt anticipating that this is going to happen. Not a problem the Church of Jesus will stand forever and ever with or without the government. By the way the church is not a building it’s the believers in Jesus and we are about to explode. So go ahead and take our buildings.

  • The Emanicpater

    Prancing little faggots…their blood will stain the gutters throughout this nation one day. God’s judgement will be severe.

  • Jerry Pettigrew

    This guy belongs in a mental institution.

  • Sons of Liberty

    Another peter puffer who wants attention.

  • maldrul

    All of you people that are taking this seriously have been suckered by an April Fool’s joke. Now don’t you feel foolish?

  • billjcanada

    Nothing like left wing tolerance

  • Porphyry

    Yeah, try it with a mosque, you screeching cowards!

  • Aaron Floyd

    So does that mean that the church can demand that all gays stop being gay?

  • Kimmie Collier

    THERE ARE IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD BOTH GAY AND STRAIGHT. THE STRAIGHT GOVERNMENT IDIOTS MADE THE FIRST MOVE. THE GAY GENERAL POP MADE THE SECOND IDIOTIC MOVE. GOOD GRIEF. I AM GAY AND I AM A CHRISTIAN. YOU CANT FIGHT HATE WITH HATE. OR HAVENT WE LEARNED THAT YET!!! GROW UP! SHUT THE CHURCHES DOWN. LOL RIDICULOUS!

  • Sooneridver

    Ship his gay ass to the Middle East… you pick a country! Let him try that crap over there… he’d be dog meat in less than 24 hours.

  • Bro. Wally

    “Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20)

  • Iwona

    I am sick and tired of that subject. Is that the only subject we supposed to worry about? Gays and lesbians?

  • Jason Shoots

    But they said, “Stand back!” And they said, “This fellow came to sojourn, and he has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them and shut the door. And they struck with blindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.

    Gen 19:9-11 (ESV)

  • Jayson Butler

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
    speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
    assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

  • RedMeatState

    Yeah well you know people may have the FREEDOM to commit immoral acts and live a life of debauchery, but they sure as heck DON’T HAVE A RIGHT TO IT!!

  • RedMeatState

    Next they’ll be demanding that anyone who doesn’t embrace and promote this lifestyle be put to death.

  • mrb

    When you have no guidance you make one up.

  • Susan Fuchs

    churches should not ever be under the 501(c)3 – it gives the state the ability to tell you what you can and can’t say in the pulpit! you have given them this, they created the 501(C) 3 Not being under anything,like the Catholic church means you are free, every church should ask their accountant! get out of these, everything you give to the catholic church is deductible with no “break out” of book, etc…. wake up Churches!

  • ChristianMan

    I can see that some Denominational faith are in a business. They run daycare, youth camps and great tracts of land. They should be ashamed. How many of their brothers and sisters could they have helped or Evangelists could have been supported? Heard last week that a so called Evangelist just asked his Congregation to buy him a 6 million dollar Lear jet. Guess it was just too big an inconvenience to fly first class commercial. The local Congregation, a member of Church Of Christ, I attend doesn’t have large bank account and we support OUR Brothers and Sisters in Africa who have bad growing season, droughts and so on. It is our duty as their Brothers and Sisters in Christ to take care of their needs just as it was during the First Century Church. But to punish good Congregations because there are bad ones is just silly. They will answer for it at the close of their lives. They seem to have forgotten the money that is collected is the Lords and not theirs. It is to be spent wisely and how we are given authority to use,ONLY. Not planes, cars, land, pizzerias and so on. These so called preachers on TV seem to have forgotten that the Lord walked or rode a boat everywhere he went. Not so much as a wagon or donkey.

    Now as far as the Gay issue, it in my belief is just as any other sin. stealing, lying, adultery and so on. I would only tell you must repent, that is turn away and never return to it. We are all sinners and can be forgiven. Now I know some will say I’m judging you a give the example of what Christ told the crowd as they were about to stone a woman who was an adulteress. Those without sin, cast the first stone. But many fail too give what Christ told her. Go and sin no more. Jesus told her in that short statement that she was sinning. Was he judging her? Or giving her a warning that a judgement at the end of her life , was coming. I am only telling you because I care and don’t want to see you lost in Hell for eternity. Christian

  • bullhorn

    Selective indignation

  • akcita

    Gosh, I wonder when Nymphomaniacs are going to get protected class status…? Brain Chemicals, sexual Identity,…sounds like a protected class to me. and when they want to be married to 3 men, it would be discrimination to not allow it right?…

  • Ron

    are you out of your mind don’t answer the answer is obvious you are an idiot and the government has no reason to get their noses in church especially when it comes to matters between man and woman no matter their decisions about their choices to be with whom…so shut your pie hole..

  • Douglas Gamble

    Churches were, and will remain the front runners in the anti same-sex marriage resistance. Especially those that preach from the Bible and only the Bible. Sure, you’ll find Churches out there that will be more than happy to perform same-sex marriages. But the Churches that are bound by Biblical Doctrine and nothing else will remain steadfast against such unions. As for the 501(c)3 classification, listen to the words of Jesus and pay unto Caesar what is Caesars. Meaning, pay your taxes if you must. However, when the Constitution was written the Church was automatically tax exempt without having to pay a fee to be so. Or having to file any paper work to indicate so. So, let’s keep the Government out of the Church and I’ll keep my Church out of the Government, unless invited in. If you want to shut me down for adhering to my faith and what my Scriptures tell me regarding same-sex relations, go ahead and give it a go. The publicity will do nothing but good for me, the Church and the Lord for whom the Church serves.

  • BlueEyes

    What do you expect from people who are mentally unbalanced? It is one thing to live in sin but a totally different thing when this group becomes so militant that they try to crush everyone who does not agree with their lifestyle choice. They are a danger to everyone, not just to Christians. Those who are spewing hate and death threats should be charged with a hate crime and various other charges.

  • Jae Marie

    I saw a link to the article in passing didn’t look at the source and got frustrated. then I saw that the source was a joke, read the article had a laugh and moved on.

  • bobmead1960

    What has the gay movement done to help society? There is a lot of silence. Should we name just a few of things Christianity has done for society – feed the poor, help people recover rom alcoholism or drugs, hospitals, public schooling or the poor, housing for the homeless and much, much more. Case closed!

    • Jae Marie

      The “gay” community as you put it does that for those that the christian community has thrown out on the streets. There are organizations devoted to helping LGBT youth who have been abandoned by their parents because their parents don’t believe that Christianity changed in the last thousand years so that it is acceptable to do that to their children.

      • bobmead1960

        I have been in the church for over 40 years and have never seen a “gay” person thrown on the streets. I see lots of people on the street and have never seen a gay person. NOt saying that gay people are not on the street, and if I met one, I would gladly help them. Why should truth and right ever change? Does two plus two not equal four? Has something changed in gravity over the last thousand of years.

        • Jae Marie
          • bobmead1960

            I don’t know what showing a link means. Somebody has to speak for you?

          • Jae Marie

            not it means that I have evidence of something I could say “40% of all homeless youth are LGBT and were kicked out by their families” but it doesn’t mean anything you don’t know if I am making it up. it means i have evidence to show that a gay person is thrown out on the streets often times the youth.

          • bobmead1960

            It didn’t Christians kicked them out of their home or churches kicked them out. NOw they may choose to leave just as a church would not accept bank robbbers that kept robbing banks. Wrong is simply wrong. I didn’t make the rules – God did. And God’s always get to make the rules!

          • Jae Marie

            what does this mean? I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

          • bobmead1960

            sorry, edited wrongs. Christians weren’t show kicking kids out of their home. How about kids that leave good homes just to do drugs or hate discipline. You study showed nothing. Kids do dumb things. That’s why they’re called kids. They don’t see things as they often are in life.

  • AceAndADuece

    LGBT community mad because an church won’t married them. Lol like seriously what did they expect. God doesn’t approved of gay marriage. Leviticus 18:22

    • Jae Marie

      I think that you will find Leviticus to be a bad example.
      other things that Leviticus out laws
      Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8)
      Planting more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19)
      Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19)
      Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27)

      further more you should know that mos of Christianity doesn’t practice the laws set out by Leviticus because when Jesus came along we got a new covenant and were no longer bound by Moses’s Law

      • AceAndADuece

        True we are no longer under mosaic law but biblical principles can still apply today. Read Genesis 2:24 then read Matthew 19:4-5 and you see that God intention was for man to be with a woman and his son Jesus Christ reiterated that point.

        • Jae Marie

          I think that “be with” needs to be defined because from what you are telling me is that a Priest is not under God’s intentions.

          • AceAndADuece

            What? What translation of the bible are you reading?

          • Jae Marie

            First the English translation of the Catholic bible, second what I mean is, when you say “be with” I assume you are talking in a sexual manner but you know what they say about assuming. so “be with” could literally mean thousands of things. when you say “God’s intention was for man to be with women” you make it sound as if that is all God wanted, not true God calls faithful men to the priest hood, these men will never “be with” any women. God calls faithful women to be Nuns, again these women will never “be with” a man. I am currently “with” my guinea pig. you need to define “be with” because I do not believe that God would condemn some one for loving anyone. I believe that God punishes pre-marital sex, and i believe that marriage in the church is between a man and a women, therefore any act of homosexual sex is wrong but a chaste homosexual relationship i have no worries about, I do not believe that Christians should stand against marriage equality OR against the LGBT community, how can we preach love but selectively love only some members of society.

          • AceAndADuece

            Well the point I was trying to make is that God condemn homosexuality. He also condemn fornication (Galatians 5:19-21). Having any type of sex outside of husband and wife relationship be it between a man and a woman or a man and another man or a woman and another woman is wrong. As for if a person should decide not to get married and devoted all your time to God, there nothing wrong with that.

          • Jae Marie

            God would not make a person and then condemn them for being the way he made them.

          • AceAndADuece

            Well God didn’t make us imperfect (Psalms 19:7). Adam and Eve did that and they pass sin down to everyone of us (Romans 5:12). Now that doesn’t mean we are doom for that is the reason Jesus died so that we can have a chance for sins to be forgiven but practicing sin though is something God not gonna tolerate. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Corinthians 6:18

          • Jae Marie

            but being gay isn’t a choice? God made us that way.

          • AceAndADuece

            Well that something that nobody know nor is it important because it not where you start it where you finish. Everybody has a clean slate when we are born. It’s what you do with your life what can define you Ecclesiastes 7:1

          • Jae Marie

            I was born gay. I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

          • AceAndADuece

            What I’m trying to say is that we are imperfect. We are naturally incline to do what is bad because of it. There no proof on whether people are born gay but we know for sure if a person want to live in harmony with God’s will., God will help that person 2 Corinthians 10:4-5.

          • Jae Marie

            Proof
            “Years of research suggest that people can’t change their sexual orientation because they want to, and that trying can cause mental anguish. What’s more, some studies suggest that being gay may have a genetic or biological basis.”
            http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html

          • AceAndADuece

            Well even with that as I stated in my previous comment, if a person wants to live in harmony with God’s standard, God will help that person.

          • Jae Marie

            God would not make some one so that some unchangeable part of them would condom them to hell.

          • AceAndADuece

            Well first off God doesn’t condemn people to hell because as stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 10 that dead are conscious of nothing.

          • AceAndADuece

            Can’t punish someone of they don’t know what going on

          • AceAndADuece

            Besides that would be cruel of God to have somebody tormented forever for God is a God of love. 1 John 4:8

          • AceAndADuece

            It’s late so ima be getting off here so if you want more info on what I’m talking bout visit jw.org. Have a good night.

          • AceAndADuece

            Also a church should have right to refuse to perform same sex marriage because of their beliefs. But as for interfering in governmental affairs on same sex marriage. The church should remain neutral.

          • Jae Marie

            i never said a church should perform an marriages that they don’t agree with. that isn’t what marriage equality is.

          • AceAndADuece

            Can you please clarified your comment please

  • Spike

    to all the idiots out there. the money churches get as a DONATION from its members has ALREADY BEEN TAXED, the people of the church donate their hard earned (and taxed) dollars because they feel that is where it will do the most good. to tax the church as income is the same as taxing a citizens money twice! get a clue people. all this is is government sponsored theft!

    • Jae Marie

      so long as a church doesn’t act like a business I agree. but as soon as a church starts acting like a business it should be treated like one.

  • Mike Mitchell

    Totally agree with Jaren… Any church that lobbies politically, in violation of the constitution of the United States, should absolutely lose their status as a tax-exempt church since they are actually a PAC. Remember separation of church and state? If we followed the example set by the religious right, they would also be tried for treason and executed.

    • Jae Marie

      just curious, what are the boundaries of lobbing?

      • Mike Mitchell

        Simple, speaking with a political figure, that has some authority over the matter at hand, in an attempt to sway their opinion one way or another.

        P.S. I assume you meant lobbying.

        • Jae Marie

          So, could a church express it’s opinion on something. specifically I am thinking of abortion laws (weather a good idea or not I don’t want to have that conversation) but is it acceptable, at least in your book, for a church to say “we don’t agree with that” and then leave it at that?

          • Mike Mitchell

            They can express their opinions freely, that is perfectly legal. However, seeking out political figures that can make or change laws about abortion, and attempting to persuade them to decide one way or the other on that issue, is lobbying.

          • Jae Marie

            Okay, when you said speaking with a political figure i was thinking more like taking on a political figure by speaking of political matters.

          • Mike Mitchell

            If churches wish to decry injustices from the pulpit, the are perfectly in the right. They can state the churches stance on an issue. They cannot speak specifically about an ongoing political issue, in an attempt to sway the parishioners, nor may they have meetings with political figures to point out their opposition to a political stance.

          • Jae Marie

            I agree with everything except “in an attempt to sway the parishioners” it is the function of a church to teach it’s scriptures and then apply them to modern day is it not?

          • Mike Mitchell

            That depends on your religious interpretation. It is the function of a church to “show the right path according to scripture”, not to direct the lives of the congregation. Free will is even in the bible, you must show the way, but allow individuals the freedom to make their own choices.

          • Jae Marie

            Of course, but wouldn’t showing the way be “this is why we ought to vote for this law” ?

          • Mike Mitchell

            Yes and no… It is a slippery slope from “This is what the scriptures say is right” to “This is how god wants you to vote”. One is okay, the other is not.

          • Jae Marie

            I’m not sure I agree but I defiantly don’t disagree.

          • Guest

            To guide the lives of the congregation is exactly the purpose of the Church.

  • southernyankee05 .

    Mr. Artery… what kind of drugs you been taking dude !!! I am so sick of the LGBT community trying to stick their filthy lifestyles down our throats. I oppose same sex marriage… and I believe homosexuality is a choice that you make in life !!! If you don’t like it… TO BAD FOR YOU !!!

    • Jae Marie

      ” Years of research suggest that people can’t change their sexual orientation because they want to, and that trying can cause mental anguish. What’s more, some studies suggest that being gay may have a genetic or biological basis.”

      http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html

  • kady772

    Don’t you love how people like to make up rights?
    “I want (fill in the blank)! It’s my right!”

  • shadowmerlin

    Tax exempt status for churches is not optional. It’s part of the LAW because if the law had been written to include taxing churches it would violate the First Amendment (“Congress shall make no law…).

    We’ve become conditioned to think the IRS can do whatever they want and to forget that churches have a special status that exempts them from government interference.

  • Kay Kristin

    Idiot.

  • Sherry Adkins

    Even if the government took away the 501(c) 3 status from the churches who stand up for their beliefs, and won’t conform to what the world says they should do or preach or believe, the true church will still stand. That being said, the true church is not in the building we go to worship in, it is on the inside of the one who worships. If you go to a church who doesn’t believe what you do, then go somewhere that does. After all, you don’t go into a bakery shop and try to order a steak, they’ll look at you like and say “Sorry we don’t serve that here”. What do you do then? Go to the government and ask them to shut the bakery down because they don’t have what you want. May sound silly, but it’s the same concept. If a church don’t serve what you want, go someplace that does!

  • JINNASH

    One more time…we need to go on offense.

  • carolisme

    The ignorance and hypocrisy of the LGBT groups is stunning! Their greed for power and the militancy they exhibit will eventually create a hatred among the 97% of Americans who are not gay or other such factions that will bring about the demise of all traces of their acceptance.

  • Beaverhat

    Is it a good idea to make 2.2 billion Christians mad at your cause? That will make Homosexuals embraced!

  • mahatchma

    So called “Gays” are at liberty to make such stupid comments and if they persist in their sin, will receive their due reward, whether or not churches are shut down.

  • David Bridges

    We don’t need our tax exempt status, because we’re not about money

  • jandyreid

    There is nothing in the Constitution granting any person or group a right that you, I, Christians or any other human being does not have. The Constitution does affirm the right of any citizen to vote regardless of sex or race but makes no mention of a person’s sexual preference. In fact, the first amendment says I do not have to agree with you. All of the laws granting these special dispensations were made by Congress and signed by presidents but my personal opinion is that they are powers not granted to Congress by the Constitution unless you believe that the Welfare Clause negates the limited powers the Founders thought they were providing to the Federal Government. In any case, political correctness does not an amendment make!

  • K Edwards

    they all need to crawl back in their holes, we are not cowing down to them ..go suck an egg or whatever ..aids should be killing em all off before too long

  • K Edwards

    she needs to read her own sign

  • jmac67

    How about someone sues these LBGT groups for hate speech? Yeah the DOJ will let that happen. If Bill Clinton was our first black president then Obama should get the title of America’s first gay president. Then again from some rumors or urban legends if you will he just might be.

  • Margaret Keith Day

    I live in Indiana…didn’t know Governor Pence was backing down! That makes me sad! Muslims are killing gays & Christians only want them to see the light…to know the truth because we care about their souls..we love them..the Muslims hate them! What’s wrong with this picture?

  • KC135TopBoom

    This is all about forcing the LGBT lifestyle upon everyone. This is not about freedom at all. It is about getting additional rights to a small ‘select’ group. Gays have always had the right to marry, just as all of us do. They only could marry someone from the opposite sex from themselves. Gays have always had the right to go find a job.
    But none of the basic rights given to everyone was good enough for LGBTs. They want more than everyone else. The “LGBT community” believes, like the elitist Democrats that they are better than everyone else, and deserve to be treated better, with more rights and benefits than everyone else.
    But their day of judgment is coming, like everyone they must stand before God. I doubt he will accept their argument that he has been wrong throughout time, and it is they who are right.

  • ChrisCasar

    Just pointing out that fact that Revoking a churches tax exempt status is not shutting them down.

  • BugaBuga

    When I was growing up, there were signs that said “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”. That, in my mind has nothing to do with equal rights. The pendulum has swung too far on equal rights. Your right ends at the end of my nose. As a business owner, If I do not want to have your business, I should have a right not to.

  • joeupyoursCS

    sounds like he need 1 up dee *(@$$*)!

  • Leo Chappelle

    The issue for the state is not whether one is born homosexual or whether one can control sexual behavior, but rather, “Why does the state have an interest in the marriage contract?” The state’s interest derives from the conjugal nature of the marriage relationship for the sake of its being ordered to procreation. It’s that marital relations, at least in principle, entail children. The state has no interest in who you love or how (within limits) you achieve sexual gratification. Mere affection is not grounds for marriage and the patronage of the state. Only the potential for childbearing provides those grounds. Not even adoption necessarily entails marriage before the state.

  • passn8ldy

    Where does this stop?!! I don’t agree to bowing down to and worshipping an Idol – so all Buddhists, Catholics and orthodox churches have to close down!!! I don’t believe in worshipping a person who believes anyone who believes other than them are infidels and should be beheaded, so Muslims can’t worship either. I don’t believe in mixing different foods together so no more casseroles. I believe no food that is not kosher should be served so there goes the bacon, ham, and any other meat not blessed by a Rabbi. Of course I don’t believe in all these things – BUT there are others who do. Each denomination has the right to worship as their God/Bible tells them to worship. We are GUARANTEED that right under the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. You don’t like that – then YOU are the one who can get out – because our beliefs are not up for debate. Our Bible is as important to us as any other law of the land for our Bible is from our God. We don’t think alike, we don’t worship alike, we don’t like the same foods, we don’t agree whether or not same sex people should marry, or any one or all of these things – but this is still America and we have each have rights. I respect your rights. Now respect mine. I just can’t wrap my head around this thing of “YOU can shut down my place of worship because we follow a belief that goes back thousands of years and you think you have the right to walk in the door and tell us we have to accept your way of life but you don’t have to accept ours? In what alternate universe is that right? Go and found your own church. You wouldn’t be happy in ours anyway. We actually sit next to people of other colors, other nations, other beliefs, other ways of life and we are tolerant. We are Christians but we are not perfect. But if you come to our church don’t try and tell us to take something out of our Bible or our beliefs because you don’t like it. The Bible isn’t up for debate. That’s where we draw the line!

  • catherine maneker

    Christians are easy and safe targets. Muslims are dangerous………so, of course the shock troops attack Christians.

    • I’m sure Muslims won’t have to cater gay weddings either. Of course the “activists” would be too terrified to test that notion anyway.

  • Trinnity

    And there it is – what the intolerant Left wanted all along.
    It’s not gonna happen. FAIL

  • Kevin Tucker

    Good luck with that you bunch of hypersensitive intolerant hypocrites.

  • Roy Mallmann

    These gay groups are getting to be nothing but terrorists and what they are doing is alienating most of the people in this country, incliding myself against these so-called gay “rights” Enough is enough! Stop it now!

  • john_koenig

    Mind you, these terrorists would never call for their buddies in the leftist Protestant cabal (Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians…) to be shut down, just Evangelical churches and above all, the Roman Catholic Church.

  • nofanofislam

    It is interesting to note that the MOSLEMS WILL join the GAYS to combat CHRISTIAN FAITH in AMERICA and, if they WIN, will then turn on the GAYS with a LETHAL purpose. So, the GAYS better understand that, if they DESTROY the Christians in America, then there will be NO ONE LEFT in the Country to SAVE THEM from ISLAM when they call ‘911’.

  • Tim

    They can be as gay as they want but when judgement day comes they will burst in to flames and die a fiery death while the rest stand there looking down on them and say “I told you so”…..lmao…

  • And will they be demanding that mosques be shut down, too? Of course not. Hitler would be so proud.

  • feduppianoman

    The quickest road to civil war would be shutting down Churches.

  • Joseph

    Deviate demands are downright demonic..

  • Upset Voter

    I follow the laws of he Bible. I don’t care if they are gay. God has that right! I don’t like the word “Marriage” with same sexes. Call it a “union” not marriage. I am sick and tired of this racism in this country. I am not racist or a traitor. I am an AMERICAN BORN IN THIS COUNTRY.

  • stanbyk1

    We now have reached the liberals version of Utopia where perverts can demand what they want and threaten harm and injury to those who don’t march to their drum beat

  • Vetus_Leo

    This is the most vile and disgusting thing to come down the pike. I have said before and I’ll say it again, if the homosexual community wants to be respected and treated equally you have to act like you deserve it. Your actions heretofore have engendered absolute contempt and will continue to do so until you get off this protected group crap and start acting like you deserve to be part of a civilized society.

  • John Richardson

    IF HOMOSEXUALS ARE SO PROUD… GO TO THE ISLAM WORLD AND PROFESS YOUR SO CALLED FREEDOM TO BE HOMOSEXUAL.YOU WILL SEE YOUR HEAD ROLL DOWN THE STREET.THAT MY FRIEND IS REALITY.SO CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY TO LIVE IN AMERICA WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH GAYS.I AM A CHRISTIAN BUT I REALLY WONDER WHAT CHRIST WOULD HAVE DONE IF YOU HAD WALKED UP TO HIM AND SAID JESUS I AM GAY.HE WOULD HAVE SAID GO YOUR WAY SON AND SIN NO MORE YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN.BUT WHAT DO YOU DO. GO BACK AND START DOING IT AGAIN.A HOMOSEXUAL IS NOT BORN THAT WAY IT IS A CHOICE. WHEN I WAS A KID HITCH HIKING AROUND TOWN I WAS PICKED UP BY SEVERAL HOMOSEXUAL’S WHO WOULD LET ME IN THE CAR AND THEN PROCEED TO PUT THEIR HAND ON MY PRIVETS.OR, AS CLOSE TO MY LAP AS HE COULD GET.HOW NASTY IS THAT!!!. THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN THE DARK.. WHEN I REACTED TO GET HIS HANDS OFF OF ME THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY PULL OVER AND LET ME OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE.THE ONLY DIFFERENCE NOW IS THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE OUT IN THE OPEN MORE SO THAN THEN.BUT IT IS STILL WRONG AND THE BIBLE SAYS YOU ARE NOT TO DO IT.TO KEEP YOURSELF CLEAN EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THOSE FEELINGS.LOOK ATTHE WAY HOMOSEXUALS ACT?HOMOSEXUALS YOUR GREEDY WITH THE PROBLEM, ALMOST LIKE YOU WANT TO RAPE ANOTHER GUY. HOMOSEXUALS ARE INFESTED WITH LUST AND CANNOT OVERCOME IT,,,GET A GRIP. MARRIAGE IS NOT FOR SAME SEX ITS FOR REPRODUCTION.I DON’T SEE WHERE TWO GUYS OR TWO WOMEN CAN REPRODUCE CHILDREN. ALL YOU HAVE NOW IS TO PICK ON CHRISTIANITY?STOP RUNNING AROUND BEING QUEER! WE BELIEVE IN WHAT IS THE TRUTH.WHY CONDEM US FOR THAT?IT’S NOT A LIE IT’S IN THE BIBLE.I DON’T SEE WHERE JOSEPH SMITH’S NAME OR MORMAN’S IS IN THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER BOOK? EXCEPT THEIR OWN TEACHINGS. WHY SO? IF HOMOSEXUALS JUST HAVE TO WHY DON’T YOU JUST LIVE TOGETHER IN SIN.YOUR GOING TO ANYWAY.THE MORE HOMOSEXUALS PUT GOD DOWN THE WORSE IT WILL BE ON THEM.

  • Cedric Ian Anthony

    The point I would like to make is that there is a difference between hating the behavior and lifestyle of people who say they are LGBT, and hating actual people.. I hope and pray that no one will continue to hate people over this. but since I can only do my part to hate the sin, and not the sinner. I can only do so much.

  • tnetcenter

    Nothing like having an INTOLERANT extremist screaming for tolerance. This is the height of HYPOCRISY!

  • David

    Tere……very interesting take on the issue…and there is no question that Islam wants to bring Sharia law to the entire world under the Islamic Caliphate. However….I suspect there is another explanation and it has to do with MONEY. When seeking truth, “follow the money trail.”

    The gay liberation movement involves a very small percentage of the populace, unlike the the long struggle of civil rights for people of color which involved a very large percentage and a cause based on morality, not sexuality. Social movements that affect change in society require lots of MONEY. I suspect there is MORE to this money issue than the “personal struggle” of this small minority….how could such a small minority possibly raise that much MONEY in a society where the majority’s moral view is opposite? Saying that this opposition to “gay rights” is purely Biblical is very simplistic because it is inherent that natural sexuality is between male and female. Yes..the Bible says mankind was created male and female but isn’t that obvious without the Bible?

    There must be MORE to the story……Bible Prophecy reveals that the evil “forces” revealed in Ephesians 6:12 have plotted a Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Secular (SOCIALISTIC) World Order)through the seduction of the “elite” human power brokers beginning with the “Illuminati” in 1772 to the Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Skull and Bones, World Bank, and United Nations of today. They are “modern day Uncle Toms.”

    These “dark forces” that manipulate the “elite” utilize the following “tools” to bring in the Novus Ordo Seclorum…..

    1)Morality(Gay Liberation Movement, re-defining marriage and the amorality of sexual freedom that is destroying the very fabric of society and the core family unit)
    2) Pseudo-Science (illusion of man made global warming and the illusion that Science contradicts the Bible) 3)Class warfare (hatred of the rich)
    4) Wealth distribution(progressive tax)
    5)Social indoctrination in education(ie; common core)
    AND……..
    6)Using Islam and Sharia as a “pawn.” (to help destroy Judeo/Christian morality and culture America is the last obstacle to NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM along with its’ “Spiritual and cutural ally” Israel. Islam does not realize they are “pawns” of the “dark side” because after what the “dark side” believes is a fulfillment of Psalm 83:4… “wiping Israel off the map”… THE DESTRUCTION of Islam follows. Psalm 83:4 is NOT a Bible Prophecy that is to be fulfilled…..it is a “desire” of the evil revealed in Ephesians 6:12.

    NOTE: (historically…NAZISM was an attempt at fulfilling Psalm 83:4 and bringing in the Arian version of the secular world order but it failed, thank God)

    I submit that the MONEY behind the first “tool” is NOT from the “gay community” because they are simply too small. The MONEY trail leads to the “elite power brokers” who are seduced by the “dark powers” revealed in Ephesians 6:12 who are using sexuality to disrupt society. Civil rights is a ruse….NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM is the goal.

    Happy Passover/Easter…may these days bring “God’s Blessing to all……David Brown

  • CA Grandma

    Freedom of religion is one of the things that make America great. As far as tax exemptions go, there are laws covering tax exempt status. Any church that wants a tax exemption has to follow the rules. I ask those Christians who don’t respect the rights of others to be what they are or what they want to be to consider what Jesus would do. And do it.

    • Ranchman

      Maybe you need to reevaluate your demands for tolerance and quit being such a debauched hypocrite, grandma. Nobody asked your perverted opinion anyway. Homosexuality is a filthy abomination and we’re not about to say otherwise just because a bunch of tutu wearing pinkos say so.

  • Ranchman

    This is what you can expect with a sodomite president in office, pushing for homosexual favoritism himself. We have an upside down, right is wrong/wrong is right environment in the U.S. today and it’s going to be our downfall as a nation. Approx. 1.6% of the population is gay, so why in the world are we allowing a morally corrupt lame-stream media to push their agenda for them? Stand up, America, stand up to the gay mafia which is trying to destroy every shred of morality and virtue in this country. Remember that we are not called to be a nation of wimps, but a nation of courageous men and women who are bought with a price and called to do what is right.

  • Busdriver Bill

    So, freedom is only operable when benefiting the sodomizers? Am I not free to believe and associate what I wish and with whom I wish? These folks show mental defects, at least where logic is concerned. Sorry, but what you call “freedom” is Orwellian Newspeak, and doesn’t fit the constitutional intent of the word. Logically extrapolated, it’d allow me to put you back into the closet for taking away MY freedom. (Weren’t we all better off when it was so)?

  • pdh42

    ROFLOL@ those people of the left…. What those fools do not understand is that once they get rid of Christians they will then have to deal with Islam…. What they do not understand is that once Islam takes hold of an area those people who hate Christians so much will rue the day that Islam takes over…. Islam hates everyone who is not part of their pedophile religion and they even hate each other….

  • Skitz00

    Wow, that is a very stunning “demand”, that the government “shut down” certain churches. It’s ignorance is breathtaking. Do they not know that this country was founded by people seeking religious freedom and that said freedom is enshrined in our Constitution?

    At least it’s refreshing that they have come “out of the closet” to reveal their true aims, that being to “fundamentally transform America” (gee, that sounds familiar) all the way down to its bedrock.

    I’d like to see these creeps actually grow a set and start taking on the Islamist states who actually execute LGBT’s just for being LGB or T. Instead, like obnoxious bullies, they attack those who they imagine are powerless to strike back at them.

  • Boatswas

    Interesting that “refusing to participate” is being seen as “taking rights away” … Tolerance is as dead as logic and common sense with the folks.

  • Rboo

    If people like the Indiana Gov. Mike Pence do not stand up to these LGBT people they are not helping the Christian community at all. Between the LGBT and the Muslims, the Christians are going to be left to defend themselves.

  • Jeffrey Liggens

    “Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!”

    This is a fair argument from one who is adversely affected

  • Jim Sanderson

    So where in that article does any gay person say churches should be “SHUT DOWN” someone saying you should have your tax exempt status revoked is very different than siomeone saying you should be “SHUT DOWN”

    • GinnyLee

      Demanding no tax exempt status would be advocating that the federal government interfere in churches, put a gag on them, and shut down religious freedom and freedom of speech.

      Americans – of the United States, still stand on the Constitutional freedoms.

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
      prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
      speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
      assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

  • jrogersp

    Houses of homosexual perversion of all sizes & Shapes should be torn to the ground! Anyone caught practicing homosexuality should be run out of the Country and anyone caught sympathizing with them thrown into prison! We need to clean up our Wonderful Country!

  • The Optimist

    I wonder what all the LGBT’s would do if, at their next “Gay Pride Parade”, they were met with a Christian Straight Pride Parade coming in the other direction? I would hope there would be more of the latter!!

  • mdrod1

    What a total SCUMBAG! Talk about a clogged Artery! What a coward! He learned quickly that the backlash goes both ways! Next thing you know, he’ll call for the execution of Christians who don’t agree with gay marriage! He should be put away for the common good!

  • J.

    If you think gay groups do not criticize Islam, you’re not reading the Advocate or Pink News. The huge majority of Iran and ISIS are half a world away, and the majority of this country is of some Christian denomination. It’s no wonder it looks like American gay groups focus on the majority. They do. They choose their battles.

  • Dennis

    Artery looks like that cartoon donkey from years past. VERY close resemblance. The donkey part fits.

  • higgy01

    I am not a Christian but I vehemently oppose same sex marriage as an affront to the natural order of things. I defy any of those bullying scum bags to even try to shut me down. I believe the creator made two sexes of almost all living things for a purpose.

  • Culdees2020

    Time to demand hate crime laws against these Ernst Rhoms.

  • IndyMason

    http://tribuneherald.net/2013/08/23/kkk-wins-lawsuit-against-bakery-for-discrimination/

    The LGBT opened the door for businesses to not be able to deny service to the KKK. Nice.

  • Walter Gatlin

    Homosexuals have no authority in America! According to the very laws of these United States of America our authority comes directly from God the Almighty, the father of the son Jesus Christ. And you say WHAT? This is true and if more Americans understood the laws of our land they would see this to be true. You see the courts keep ruling from the Constitution of these United States but fail to include the more than fifty references to the thirteen original still existing State Constitutions. Those very references explain fully our combined rights and whom our Natures God is. They explain that the peoples rights come from God and so we elect those whom we see fit to lead our Nation. Without those references and the precise premise of the Declaration of Independence there would be no God or Natures laws from which our laws are firmly based. What premise am I referring? The absolute fact that our founders sent a letter to King George III stating the 27 ways he fell out of favor with God. So our founding fathers put in place a legal binding contract with the People of America stating this fact and assuring that no man shall rule against God. Your authority comes from God and a Governments authority comes from you.

  • Greg Prewitt

    What?

  • Capdragon

    Exactly HOW does the statement that Artery made equal demanding the closing of any church speaking against LGBT’s ?

    That is a flat out lie !!!!!!

    Any church that lobbies to deny any rights to any one SHOULD have its tax free status revoked.

    You know, that little thing concerning politics not mixing with religion.

    Which is exactly what Artery said.

    Talk about fabulist bigots, the writer of this article wins that title hands down.

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  • Anonymous Me

    There is an easy solution, Christians should stop protesting at gay rallys, gays should stop targeting Christians, just live and let live. Ignore each other!

  • Doc Vallotton

    Churches don’t need a 501 status from the government. Separation of fhurch and state means the govrrnment has no authoriyu over churches unless ghey are breaking yhe law. IRS laws shoild not apply to churches.

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  • Jimmy

    Why can’t they LGTB crowd just accept getting married by the government? Keep your marriages out of our church! Just remember Jesus will meet you where you are and you don’t have to follow the path of sin if you don’t want to.

  • Kiff Egle

    Wyoming Equality is a hate group. Hate groups should not have tax exempt status.

  • obamasux

    The Gaystapo and the GayKK are well prepared. Immediately after the Supremes bless sodomite “marriage,” same-sex couples (stormtroopers of the Gaystapo) will begin systematically knocking on the door of EVERY church in America and “legally” eradicating those who oppose them. Satan will be unleashed as never before in America.

  • Makesnosense

    Does that include the 34,00 black churches (14.7 million members) that left the Presbyterian denomination because it’s hierarchy chose to accept sodomite “marriages”?

  • TOTLAM

    “Give em an inch and they’ll take a mile!” Just a few short (seemingly) years ago, out from under the closet- door, slithered a few “trial bal “loons” << emphasis << Since that time "they" have turned a "small" amount of tolerance into all out – DEMANDS! So from closet-ted to militant into, basically, the blink of an eye??? What you "people" need to do is – GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!

  • Cobber Campbell

    What I have observed over the past years since the AIDS plague is that gays (homosexuals or effeminates ) going by the Bible are blatantly demanding and blackmailing everyone (even Almighty God) that they get their way as they did at Sodom when they demanded Lots angelic guest to have and know them sexually. Sodom was then wiped off the map forever, so beware USA or any other nations to cancel what the Bible says is a sin . There are other Bible passages that ban adultery, stealing, drunkards , lying, murder ,paedophilia, fornication, and many more so do we make all churches who honour God’ s Word close down or throw out the Bible do we also demand the Koran be banned and all holy books to suit the increasing wickedness, evil and hatred towards all righteous people and Holiness? Are we going to be forced to go against a Holy Loving God or not,to bow down to pressure groups so that they can forget about morals and decency

  • Hondo Stone

    ALL 501-c3 churches are of satan and yes, they have made a contract with the state…ALL for money!
    They are of satan and will get their just reward on that last day which is soon to come.

    Peace to all in Jesus Christ

  • Guest

    There is also a chance days can be shut down too.

  • Kenneth Felts

    Apostle Paul was very clear on the act of homosexuality that men left their abode and went lusting after strange flesh. Same as the Angels that left their abode and married women here and started corrupting everything upon earth with the coperation with man. Pastors needs to stand up for the word of God in the church and warn people that the Holy Spirit guides them there. But men and women have the right to do as they please as long as it doesant break mans laws here on earth. After God has finished his work here people will have to answer to him at the great white Thron judgment. No Christian pastor on earth should ever marry a man to a man or woman to a woman before the lord of glory EVER!!!!!! Step up u men of God even if u get persecuted. If they close your churches so be it it’s just a building. Start having home churches get away from government influences, drop your 501 3 c. GET BACK TO THE WORD OF GOD AND STAND YOUR GROUND UPON THE HOLY WRITTEN WORD OF THE LIVING GOD!!!!

  • Tony2Wolves

    501.C3 Church tax exempt status is a government control mechanism
    put in place by Pres. Johnson. Under tax exempt status churches are prevented
    from supporting or not supporting any politicians or political topics. If you
    are in a 501.C3 church get out of it now! If your church is a 501.C3 church
    they have sold out Jesus for a pieces of silver.

  • Kenneth Felts

    I just wanted to throw this out there for e everyone. I once seen a man bull horning a club and he would set up across the street and play Christian music and speak the word of God right out of the bible. Now he was on his own property dosing this because he had a Christian clothing store across from the club and the club was beside a sonic drive in so it was influanceing young people. When I seen this I thought to myself this is wrong to do. He did this for a month or two and the. I didn’t see him again and he aparantly was persicuted for what he was doing and closed his business and moved to the next town over. So I wondered maybe he shouldn’t have done this so I thought he was defeated but no just the contrary a month or two after the club closed up and it stayed empty for years afterwords and weed broke up the pavement all around it and it looked desolate. Till finally it was bulldozed down and a car lot took its place. Truely the word of God is powerful threw a man of faith. Just wanted to share this story. Peace be with u all

  • Mohsen Samii

    Why on earth should the “Gays” worry about getting married in a church when the Bible is very clear on this subject.

  • NCFREEDOM

    That actually would be a great thing for churches to lose their tax exempt status, then Pastors would feel freer to preach truth, preach as the Pastors of 1770s preached against tyranny and corrupt Kings and Despots, advocate for voting for particular candidates. I say bring it, because most churches will not do it on their own.. What and Idiot this guy is!

  • Eric

    lol and if they dont believe in the church or christ why would they want to even get married there. why because they hate we have morals. and when we die. no burning for us.

  • william mony

    While these so called activists call for subjugation of the rights of others, the irony is we all are losing our rights.
    Our country is doomed and the very few who see it are called conspiracy theorists.

  • Phillip Cole

    There is nothing to be gained by using the extreme silliness of a sector of a body to tarnish the entire membership. Christians also display extreme behaviour to LGBT people and rightly should be shunned for that as should any gay lobbyist. What we need is tolerance and equality for all sinners, not selective behaviour towards one set of persons based on their choice of sin. Is the aim here to love all men and seek peace or to foment war?

    • hawaiigirl50

      What’s a matter with you???? God doesn’t have tolerance for gays…he clearly destroyed whole cities of gays…we have every right to want to shun gays and everything they stand for…they are an abomination to nature!!!!

      • Phillip Cole

        By the same token God does have any tolerance for liars, fornicators, adulterers, whore-mongers, workers of witchcraft (horoscope included), etc. Where in the spectrum do you your family members or friends fall; as all will burn in HELL. By the way, Lying lips and a proud heart are also abominations in the sight of God. If you are so god fearing, when are you goona lead the way to criminalise their behaviour too? Or is it a case of sins that I like versus those I do not?? The hypocrisy of this nation is laughable.

  • hawaiigirl50

    Gays need to tone it down!!! Or they will make even more enemies than they already have….Gays are lucky that anyone tolerates their perverse way of life!!!!

  • Frankie Welder

    Tick tock tick tock tick toc

  • frankfan42

    The agenda of homofascism is straight from satan himself. Unless and until we come to grips with that reality our society will continue the rapid downward trajectory. Satan has been at this game for a lot longer than any human beings have been alive- he knows how to cloak a vile agenda in appealing clothes, and who better to do so than a group that is shamelessly self promoting?

  • Tim Huckabay

    Militant sodomites and lesbians now want to see the tax-exempt statuses of churches who stand on God’s written Word, condemning sodomy and homosexualtiy, revoked. Well, to all you sodomite- and lesbian-supporters out there, I will tell you plainly, that you are supporting (at a minimum) a sin that God plainly states is abominable and unnatural, and will lead straight to eternal condemnation and torture in hell’s flames, lest there is repentance and receiving of Christ Jesus. Yes, sodomy and lesbianism are sins, and those are harmful to society and families. Those who disagree can repent or choke on it in the end, but truth is truth forever.
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    Timothy J. Huckabay John Dewitt notes, “Gays never criticize Islam, even though it is only Muslims who are hanging gays from cranes and throwing them from buildings every single week.” How very true. Sodomites and lesbians are COWARDS, and think they can attack sheepish Christianity. Well, there are shepherds among Christians who will defend the sheep. Those of you who are Christians, don’t be cowardly in response to the homo-fascists, but resist them, and like the Devil (Satan), they will flee from you!

  • Tim Huckabay

    P.S. Sodomy between men and women is JUST AS ABOMINABLE as between men and men. I lump individuals who engage in the sin of sodomy as men with women in the VERY SAME CAMP as men who do that between themselves. There is NO ROOM for sodomy among God’s saints.

  • catblue422

    You have to love the sign the woman is holding “Freedom Means Freedom for Everyone”

    At what point does one persons Rights/Freedom cross over to trample other persons Rights/Freedom?

    It is no longer a wish to marry the one you love, legally visit loved ones in the hospital, spousal insurance benefits, tax benefits, inheritance and so on as with any other married couple… It has become outright in your face confrontational blasphemy.

  • dndgaddy

    How is it that lgbt gets to decide what churches believe and say! I believe every lgbt chapter should be shut down for the destruction of society and marriage that God intended… 1 man with ! woman!

  • dndgaddy

    The lgbt chapters should be shut down for trying to stop freedom of speech! Who are they to demand what churches say and believe! They just want people to be forced to say of homosexuals oh yeah you can live and do any old thing you want to do and it isn’t sin according to the Bible! Hey some of us will never stamp their sinful choices!

  • ChicagoThunder1

    Sodomites voting what did anyone expect?

  • Luke Daniel Murray

    It looks like church will be in houses like biblical times

  • the Christian servant of Jesus

    Force any governing law to act the same upon muslims and everyone will shut up… queers are not fighting muslims , they are only throwing rocks at christians because Jesus said don’t fight. Cowards is all we are dealing with ….

  • BarackForceTrauma

    Gayterrorists and HoMofacists are on the march. The war is on Church. Isn’t this where Jesus says “take up your sword”?

  • heather

    This is ALL about the evil leaders of the global Government using the LGBT movement as an excuse to go after Christains!

  • maxxxem

    Lol ,thats funny to think all will be made to worship the Maitreya when he comes. Gays will be no exception , unless the one world religion bans their existance or the Maitreya approves them

  • Frdv

    Creeps. The end won’t be pretty for these sodomites

  • pokerchip

    I though being gay, generally, was in regard to one’s sexuality. I didn’t realize that it hampers a person from thinking rationally.

  • ProclaimingGodsTruth

    Days of Lot folks – Luke 17:28. Almighty God will hold this nation accountable and make no mistake HIS judgment/s are coming!

  • RKae

    Well, that happened quickly.

    And to all those “cool,” “hip,” “modern” churches that are going along with gay marriage…

    …do you realize that they’re not done with you? They’ll be back with the next “new” thing, and you’ll have to go along with that, too!

    Good luck with that.

  • Jeff Baymiller

    This group needs to drop the word Equality from their name because they really are not for Equality.

  • Ryan

    Why are they not calling for SYNAGOGS to be shut down? It is the OLD Testament that insists homosexuals be stoned.

  • Vickie Temple

    These people have gone mad. Have y’all noticed everything is upside down, whats right is wrong and whats wrong is right? It is the time we live in now. It won’t get better only worse. There is an absolute moral deca, lawlessness, horrible things being done in America and around the world. All of the events around the world right now is going to extremes. Past any thing we have ever seen before. It is Bible Prophecy. We have persecution of Christians in the middle east an now is happening in America in an accelerated rate. The situation with Israel and what our President and other countries want to impose on Israel and with the Nuclear Deal with Iran all in the name of peace. This is Bible Prophecy folks. The New World Order is in the Bible. The beast system, the mark of the beast. Look up information on Cern. This is equal to the Tower of Babel. We are living in the days of Noah. Read Genesis about the fallen angels and what they did when they procreated with earthly women and produced and offspring of Giants. It explains a lot. Please read Revelations and Matthew and in many more it tells us what is happening. God gave us his word to live by and told us what will happen and to get prepared for whats coming. He will declare the end from the beginning. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the son of man. People get ready and ask for repentance, ask God to save you and change your ways and live in mental and spiritual peace knowing you will have everlasting life. The plan of downloading your brain to a computer and other plans of microchipping, etc. all in the name of eternal life and live forever is a plan from the pit of hell. There is only one way to have eternal
    life and that is through Jesus. God said he will send a great deception and people will believe a
    lie. Please get a bible and read, it will give you answers as to where we are right now in current events.

  • guest

    But, we’re already like China, with a state church an an underground church.

    Of which I was aware, this message was no longer, formally taught, as in the traditional buildings, for nearly twenty years.

    Where to start on how communism treats gays, minorities, and change agents…

    This is a demoralization tactic, in the eyes of people who enable it.

    In their own countries, it is stamped out.

    (ref – Youtube, Yuri Bezmenov)

  • Ron

    Well tell the gay groups they better start watching their backs. There really pushing for a violent backlash. They better hope the people who own all the guns dont start coming after them. Watch out Gay Boys

  • Geti Tright

    Revocation of a church’s 501(c)3 status does not equate to the church being “shut down” by the government. 501(c)3 designates it as a “charitable organization” with tax-exempt status. Revoking that designation means any donations made to the church will not be tax-deductible and the church may have to pay taxes on donations. While I disagree with such a move, for those who are genuine Christians, it won’t matter. I’ve attended churches that were not 501(c)3.

  • guest

    There are presently dozens of tax-exempt organizations, which are legally allowed to discus politics, under a different, numerical heading.

  • FRANK D

    THE BIBLE STATES AND I AGREE WITH THE WORDS SAY, THAT A MAN SHOULD NOT LIE AS A WOMEN, AND A WOMEN SHOULD NOT LIE AS A MAN. LET THE GAY RIGHTS PEOPLE SCREAM AND YELL AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TOUGH STUFF, I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS I WOULD RATHER BE IN THE AWESOME GRACE OF THE LORD THEN BE HATED BY A GROUP OF IMMORAL PEOPLE

    HAVE A NICE DAY

  • Richard O. Mann

    You don’t see the Muslims telling homosexuals that their life style is wrong. But, when there are enough Muslims around to start taking over government, then the homosexuals will find out the true meaning of Islamic rule.

  • Rebel

    Freedom of Religion, is a God given right in America. Homosexuals demand those in opposition to them that everyone be punished. Homosexual behavior is FORBIDEN behavior by our creator. The MAJORITY of the world’s population are not GAY, and are tired of the radicals demanding the WE change our beliefs. The Gay population have their own support groups, and societies that they are free to express their voice, and behavior. Their agenda to is to destroy the family unit, and with the Government’s support have turned into a group of haters. Gay’s are NOT entitled to special rights. They are infringing on my rights, and the American citizens rights with their hate filled message, and demands.

  • Joe Sniper

    GAY LIBERATION IS PART OF THE DEMONIC MOVEMENT GUTTING THE NATION. The demon seed homosexuals are giving themselves away now in their demonic spite and hatred towards Christ.
    PISS ON THE DEMON

  • Anni Mock

    Joel 3:9-11 King James Version (KJV)

    9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

    10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

    11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.

  • elisabeth

    as a Christian this kind of stuff used to make me really angry at gay people, now i just pity them and thank God almighty that he has given me eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit says. honestly i wouldn’t want my worst enemy to go to hell, that includes homosexuals. i pray that they see the truth before it is too late.

  • Houtex77

    Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.

  • Alleged Comment

    This does not make any sense, but those that practice DEMON SEX never have.

    For if this is what they want then the LBGT must be shut down also for practicing their views on others.

    As I said those that practice DEMON SEX never made sense anyway.

  • Robert Raulerson

    that guy looks like he takes it in the ass then in the mouth and a big one at that

  • Truth

    NOT ONLY DO HOMOSEXUALS HATE CHRISTIANS, BUT THE HATE THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WHO DESTROYED SODOM AND GOMORRAH FOR THIS SIN. WE CHANGE, LAWS CHANGE BUT GOD WILL NEVER CHANGE.

    • Christians Love

      What a big, fat lie. There are 4 million Christians alive today who are LGBT. And the sin of Sodom, per the bible was that her citizens were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned for the poor. Ez 16:49

      • LiveforJesus

        It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a sodomite or in today’s words Homosexual and follow the Lord Jesus Christ as his disciple. You cannot serve God Almighty and mammon. God will NOT tolerate LUKEWARM faith.

        • Christians Love

          If you go by the bible, sodomites are the Tea Party types.

          • Christians Love

            That word has had a varied past. It does not appear in any bible except KJV. In historical terms, it included and sex act that was non-procreative for a long time, including masturbation and oral sex. It’s a cultural word, so it changed over time and was used in common law to mean anal sex whether engaged in by gay or straight couples.
            Today if you Google ‘anal sex’ the first five pages will be about heterosexuals. And on any given night, there are far more heterosexuals engaging in anal sex than homosexuals. Also, lesbians don’t do that and not all gay male couples do. Anal sex is brought up to dehumanize all gays and lesbians inaccurately.

          • Christians Love

            Sexual orientation is not a choice. Don’t believe that? Try changing yours.

        • Christians Love

          Sexual orientation is not a choice. And if you don’t believe that, try changing yours. All the ex-gay ministries closed down after the long-time leaders admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual.

  • Truth

    INDYMASON, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I SAW A YOUTUBE VIDEO WHERE ISIS WAS THROWING THEM OFF THE ROOF, AND NOT ONE PEAK OUT OF THE HOMOSEXUALS.

    • Christians Love

      Nonsense. Every gay organization has spoken out against ISIS and extremists, be they Muslims or fake Christians who lie.

  • Truth

    ROCKCUT, IF IT IS MEANINGLESS, THEN WHAT IS THIS STATEMENT ALL ABOUT. “The largest gay group in one Western state is demanding that Churches who follow the Bible be shut down by the government.” EITHER YOU ARE ONE OF THEM OR WILLFULLY BLIND.

    • Christians Love

      That’s a lie. One guy wrote a stupid comment online, and took it down as soon as it was pointed out. No gay group called for closing all churches.

  • Christians Love

    “Gays can change through Christ” claimed evangelical ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but after the long-time leaders admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual 2 years ago, every ex-gay group that had been around for decades then shut down forever.

  • Aussie

    Of course there are other reasons why people think that they’re gay. They obviously have a weakness for it just like most everyone has a weakness of some sort.
    However most people don’t realize that when they act on those weaknesses and it starts to consume them they get possessed by unclean spirits of that weakness. After getting possessed then they form addictions and compulsions that are extremely hard to fight.
    In the bible it talks about three different evil spirits, Demonic, unclean and foul. When someone is possessed by a demonic spirit it is fairly evident. However when someone which means most people get possessed by unclean spirits it is more subtle and works with your own weaknesses until you are a prisoner to your weakness and suffer from compulsions.
    Just ask anyone who is truly addicted to porn and if they’re honest they will tell you that they suffer from compulsions / really bad addiction to the filth and can’t seem to stop it.
    Unclean spirits are those people who have died in their sins and have become subject to satan in the spirit world. They usually are family members, friends, known to the family or are on assignment from satan’s hierarchy. They find your weaknesses and usually had those weaknesses themselves. They possess people more subtlely

  • Hanakokolele

    The main reason homosexuals and Lesbians are targeting Christian own business is because the Christian God given biblical beliefs are a threat to the homosexual and Lesbians existence. God Almighty who knows the end from the beginning, will have the last word on homosexual marriage and the sin of homosexuality. Until than, all homosexuals and Lesbians can turn their behavior and lifestyle back to God who calls homosexuality “a detestable sin.” Jesus Christ wen to the cross and nailed our past, present and future sins to the cross. Everyone means everyone. God wants all to believe what Jesus did on the cross and resurrecting alive on the third day. HE wants all to believe what Jesus has done and receive eternal salvation. But the first step is repenting of one sins. That means depart from the sin of homosexuality.

    Yes Jesus Christ died for everyone in the world. But not everyone will believe and would rather dwell in their sewage of sin no matter what sin it is. At the White Throne Judgment seat of Christ, all unprepented sinners will be judge and than cast into hell with the devil and his demons. What a shame to reject God’s free gift of eternal salvation.

  • Bruce Wayne

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    The passage above seemed to warn us of this very time…….it’s passages like these which talks as if this were past tense………the God is showing us this period before it happened…….it is way out of the ordinary to receive death threats for not wanting to perform a marriage ceremony to gays….the Bible clearly states being gay is sin and no church can support that activity.

  • andyprigge

    I have 2 questions: What will you do if isis confronts the homosexuals? What would you prefer, isis, or Church’s banning marriage’s of gay people? Love the sinner but hate the sin folks.

  • mutterfudder

    Most hateful, intolerant people I’ve ever met are the gay people.

  • TJ

    Thank God we still have a First Amendment which guarantees our right to Religious Freedom!

    The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech,

  • pianoman

    I not positive, but I thought there is a law about tax exempt organizations not being allowed to get involved with politics…

  • DesertStormVet1

    The LBGT already has a religion they support: Secular Humanism.

  • Eroq

    Homo hate is rampant and they will be the first to lose their heads once Islam rules their world

  • Dave

    And now you know! Militant gays are why gay is not ok! Everyone is like “gay is ok” and “let them be”, well how about they do the same and leave us be, and except that we all have our beliefs also! But no! They will only be satisfied when everyone thinks, and acts, like them!

  • barbarakelly

    To you LGBT who cares what you think. I don’t think about you so stop pushing your agenda on us. Live and let live. Any business has a right to reject service to who ever they feel. Stop with the threats. You might do better. I don’t like being threaten or pushed into something that doesn’t rest well with me. So stick it.

  • barbarakelly

    By the way form your own darn church. STOP trying to make us who live by the bible to except what we know is wrong. YOU MADE THAT CHOSE IN YOUR LIFE AND YOU ARE WANTING TO PUSH IT DOWN ON THE REST OF US TO EXCEPT WHAT WE KNOW IS WRONG. yoU WOULD DO BETTER TO GO ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND WE WILL GO ABOUT OURS. We don’t like it shoved in our faces all the time. Yes we work with you and do business with you we don’t preach to you so stop while your ahead.!!!

  • amuncat

    ALWAYS remember! According to a recent CDC CONFIDENTIAL poll, gays, les, bi, etc. COLLECTIVELY constitute 1.6% of America’s population!!!

    I think someones need to get over themselves! Right now, I am sick and tired of the gay entitlement “suffering” poor discriminated people. It’s hard to sympathize because they always want to wipe people off the face of the earth!

    Now here’s a good one. Go to youtube and look up “gay bakeries refuse to bake cake for traditional marriage”! ALL refuse to bake the wedding cake! Some even hung up on him! It would be hilarious, except this is serious. They expect tolerance, but can’t seem to give it! Go back into your closet…Pleeze!

  • fights

    at least this is where the rubber meets the road with Christian pastors and leaders in the church. weed them out now! Luke 3:17 His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

  • MacFly1

    As a Bible thumping Baptist, I believe the Church made a big mistake when it cozied up to its 501(c)3 status. WE SHOULD GO OUR OWN WAY and NOT claim tax status. Otherwise the pressure is there to change the word. NEVER GIVE IN.

  • Nikolle

    What a bunch of Hypocrites!!!!! The lady behind him is holding a sign that reads “Freedom means freedom for everyone.” But what about those churches?? How is it “freedom” for them to be told what they can and cannot preach and accept into their church?? If freedom truly is for everyone than go find a church that backs you and leave the rest alone. That is true freedom for everyone!!!!! Sadly, it isn’t hard to find a church to back LGBT people now a days. Leave the ones who don’t alone ok?? I know my Pastor would never listen to this law anyway. The Bible is the truth and it will forever stand. If the Bible says it is wrong than it is. Plain and simple. No other rules need to be made. I accept all people but I do NOT accept them not giving me the same respect and freedom that I would give to them!!!!!!! This is unbelievable!!!!!! God help us all!!!!!

  • KK

    I like the sign in the background. “Freedom means freedom for everyone.” Forcing someone to believe in anything doesn’t count as freedom.

  • pumpkin

    Word begins with an F and rhymes with maggot.

  • Justin

    Just so everyone knows not all gay people in Wyoming feel this way, nor do we condone the threats made on the pizzaria. It’s always a few that do voice their opinion or make threats that make us all look like we feel the same way. I’m a Christian as well so please don’t think it’s everyone who feels this way.

  • Salesman

    How is him saying if you lobby to take away rights, you should lose your tax exempt status, hating Christians? If you disagree with homosexuality, which is NOT a choice, that’s fine. That’s your right and beliefs. But to actively lobby local, state and/or federal law to legally discriminate, then I agree with him wholeheartedly.

  • ThoughtCrimeinProgress

    I don’t understand why people are so eager to take away Christian churches’ 501(c)3 status. Quite simply, churches are not businesses who are seeking raw profit (not all of them, at least). But, still, they have to deal with making money in their own ways for their own causes. Thus, it is reasonable to classify and treat them as something which is not the same as a for-profit business. Likewise, the same should go for any such organization, church or not.

    And just because they may engage in something like political speech does not change this line of reasoning.

    There is only one possible explanation for this illogical sentiment: more “freedom from religion” nonsense. That is, this sentiment is an attempt to spin the said line of reasoning as the U.S. government endorsing and supporting churches. And, by design, this spin is done for the purpose of giving the opposing viewpoint a chance to control and silence churches.

  • Austen Stokes

    I mean, did any of you simple morons read the article? And, if you did, do you possess the brains to process what it’s saying? It doesn’t appear so considering this is where you get your news. More sensationalist garbage from a group of people waiting to cry victim when their rights to discriminate how they used to aren’t popular anymore. Kick and scream all you want, the sooner you old bigots die off the better.

    • Hellen

      Yes, cake is so much more important than religious freedom (as promised in the constitution) Idiot.

      • Defender_of_the_Underdogs

        “Religious freedom” is one thing, “discrimination” is another. When will you people get that straight? Never?

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  • Joe Sniper

    Demon seed homosexuals pawning you all out. They are brainwashing your children to be homosexual. The wicked are harvesting souls away from the Creator.

  • Hellen

    Let’s revoke all tax exemptions from all “not for profit” organizations. Let’s see which ones die fastest; I guarantee it will not be the churches.

  • George W. Smith

    These people ought to be arrested, put on an airplane, flown to Tehran, and LEFT THERE. .Then they can see what “bigotry” is REALLY like.

  • hildebeastC

    Gay ppl were very happy with me when I was liberal. WHEN I left the fold I was called slut whore bigot ..YOU name it. I can’t even recall some of the names but they would have made Dan Savage proud. GAYS hate Christians because when I told them I would no longer defend liberals because of their behavior to CHristians that is when the hate toward me came out. AND they KNEW me very well. Did not matter. I was ZERO once I stopped being liberal. I know firsthand so plz do not try to tell me gay ppl do not hate CHristians. Everyone I knew in that camp does.

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  • Jennifer

    I think this is the height of ignorance, and the start of what we, Christians, all know is going to happen. This is a conflict with the Truth, a war even. the truth is the light that is shed upon the darkness of ones soul and there are many that would like to remain in the darkness. As a quote from the Matrix, many people depend and are not ready to be disconnected. The hold of the dark is a monstrous force.

  • Fawkes

    What a biased, uneducated and bigoted story, most LGBT people couldnt care less about what churches do, most of us understand that equality means both parties are equal, not one is more equal then the other, this story is based on the actions of one man, and he doesnt speak for the rest of us, dont profile a whole group of people based on the actions of a few radicals, am i a Christian, no, do i hate Christians, hell no, most of my family are Christians as well as alot of my friends, they dont press their beliefs on me and i dont press mine on them, its as simple as that and everyone gets along

  • Forever wild

    THE GOOBER GRABBERS ARE OUT IN FORCE

  • El Apestoso

    I think all religious groups should lose their tax exempt status. If they want to be a non-profit charity, then they should be a charity. There’s really no logical reason that a religious organization, no matter what their religion, should be tax exempt. If they’re an actual non-profit, fine, by all means, be a non-profit, and follow the same rules that secular non-profits do.

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  • gina

    i do not see that happening ……….i see the churches going in a direction never thought of before

    • bonaventure

      i see the churches going in a direction never thought of before

      Do you mean liberal churches which accept and perform homosexual “marriage”?

      If so, these are neither churches, nor Christian.

      • gina

        no i was not meaning liberal churches i was meaning un corrupted churches

      • gina

        yes i agree they are not but what i was talking about was churches closing their doors to the public and becoming a members only

        • bonaventure

          That may be a temporary blessing for the Church.

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  • John Mark IB

    haha, oh boy can anyone say End times madness is here?? wow yeah it’s going to keep on getting worse and worse and yes folks we’re definitely under judgment, but, guess what’s coming next folks and I thought I was the only one preaching this will be the next on the logical downfall and progression downwards into the depths of depravity, see the following on the pedophilia issue being the next one to be normalized and legalized as born that way can’t help it and so it’s called orientation when in reality it’s a decision to act upon a known deviance from the natural into the perverse behaviors, amazing that we all know these things are even on the books of states laws as illegal, acts of sodomy, etc., http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32454

    here’s hope for all and the so called gay folks too if they’ll have it …

    http://faithsaves.net/salvation

    http://faithsaves.net/truth-for-gay-friends/

    • Defender_of_the_Underdogs

      Your comparison of gays and gay marriage to pedophiles is a false comparison. One is based on the love of mutual-consenting adults, the other is called child abuse.

      • John Mark IB

        ahhhh yesss I see why thanks for enlightening me, then I guess we shouldn’t be worried when they lower the age of consent laws and the next logical step being the pedophiles being able to claim the same thing they too are born that way and so they just can’t help it thanks!! it’s still sin in GOD’S eyes so what’s your point love?? between 2 consenting adults?? nice try really but no cigar, it still is no excuse for sin which is what it is bottom line, and the real question behind all of this is what will you do with Christ?? here’s hope may you find it before you breath your last… and have and blessed day
        http://faithsaves.net
        http://faithsaves.net/truth-for-gay-friends/

        • Defender_of_the_Underdogs

          You’re making up nonsense. And even if pedophiles are born that way too, they must suppress their desires to molest underage children. Child abuse is not acceptable. whereas same sex marriage is based on two consenting adults, not one adult and one child.

          • John Mark IB

            dear sir or madam, thanks for at the least being decent and not profane, although your none sense comment was lame, whatever, I’ll take decent criticism any day over the vulgar ones here, so thanks for the decent attack, anyways I truly and honestly hope you’re in good health, mentally and spiritually, and do hope you’re well, but with all due respect I understand your point, and get what you’re trying to say, but this is the logical progression of the downward trend back to the romanish era of society, where basically any perversion was ok, ?? we are living in perilous times, that basically all you have to do is watch the lame stream media fox cnn msn all the same, and see the rioting the illness of this world, there is indeed an absolute truth and an absolute standard!! so my simple point is all of the evils we see are going to get worse, and are getting worse, and even those which most still hold as evil will and are falling like dominoes every day we see it all over the world, but GOD’S Word speaks straight to the heart of all matters in all areas of life and is the Final authority for all true born again Christians as His Word says, basically the pedophiles will be next as society goes more into drugs like marijuana and legalizing all sorts of perversions, which not long ago were actually called mental illnesses by the American Psychological Association until they were intimidates into normalizing the whole homosexual issue this is just a fact and anyone can research it who doesn’t know it or believe it, now with that said it doesn’t mean that the APS was right in the first place but they weren’t far off from GOD’S Words and GOD’S standard of holiness between man and woman, Jesus himself said have ye not read from the beginning GOD created them male and female and for this reason shall a man leave his mother and father and become one with his wife and so shall the two become one flesh in the spirit of GOD’S plan of holy matrimony, and so sorry but this is the way it is and always shall be, today society is erupting with sickness of sin and the mind is deteriorating rapidly into evil, GOD’S Word says the whole creation groans to be delivered from this curse of sin and death which we see daily all around us, killing murder death destruction lying stealing cheating name anything and it’s all there and eventually He is coming soon first to take His bride out of here and then after 7 years to take establish His thousand year reign on Earth with a rod of iron!! here’s the bottom line for me you and all humanity, you have a decision to make and are at the crossroads of eternity, here today you have a simple yes or simple no answer and then what to do with it, what will you do with Christ Jesus? this is the question that will determine your eternal destiny and fate, so what will it be friend?? what will you do with Christ Jesus?? here’s hope if your honestly seeking it and or in search of the answers to your existence and how to be saved Biblically and have true peace and joy and love which only GOD Himself in Christ can give the truth…what will you do with Jesus?? may you have a blessed day and may GOD bless you and yours as you seek His Words and His final Authority on all matters from what He says not what man says!! GOD only wrote one Book it’s the Holy Bible KJV in English check it out at the following and here’s hope as well for all!! take care thanks for the thoughts, with all love and due respect, with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen, here to help you if you want or need it with love always, absolute truth is absolutely knowable and Jesus is Truth!!
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          • Defender_of_the_Underdogs

            We are a secular nation (thank goodness). Religion has no place in our law-making process. Also: Just because you call something “evil” or “perverse” does not make it so. Some would wonder if religion itself wasn’t a mental disorder.

      • John Mark IB

        Dear Defender, hope you’re doing well in good health physically mentally and spiritually, thanks for your dialog, and for not being a hard or vulgar person, it’s only a false comparison if you don’t call it what GOD calls it and that is what it is, sin is sin, and no it’s not really false, here’s my reason why, as the age of consent laws will be used hacked away at little by little to be lowered, and this will enable the pedophiles to basically come out and join the party look at NAMBLA and say hey what about me too clause?? or what about us?? all they have to do, is the same thing, ride the coattails of the civil rights movement, the same way the lesbian homosexual transgender crowds have cleverly done, to gain hat they want and force it thru as laws simply by stating hey we’re born this way, that’s the very clever mantra born this way can’t help it !!?? even though not one shred of proof exists to show it, and given enough time as it has taken for the homosexual movement to intimidate the American Psychological Association back in the 1970’s, to remove them from the list of mental disorders, it will be only a short while before all of these issues are legalized as normal love and consenting love between 2 person as you seem to want to say, so if it’s all so called consensual love between 2 adults what’s to stop them from the consensual love between the adults and children?? nothing period it’s all sin and GOD call it what society hates to call it because man want’s his sin cake and to eat it too!! which he thinks he’s getting right now by destroying the biblical institution of marriage and redefining it from the truth to a lie!!! it’s all about forced acceptance of sinful lifestyles actually death styles as any person in the medical industry can tell you and if you’ll simply look up diseases of the homosexual lesbian and transgender persons, so again dear friend bottom line is this before you breath your last precious breath of GOD’S precious air, the bottom line is this what will you do with Christ Jesus ??? here’s hope for all, and may you find it, before it’s too late, may you and yours have a blessed day with health love and joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!!
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    • Dakota

      homosexuality does not equate with pedophilia. plus, Christian right-wingers seem to have no issue with that disgusting pedophile Duggar and how his “Christian” community completely mishandled the entire situation and covered it up

  • John Christopher sunol

    this is going to bring persecution world wide to bible believing christians, it is all part of agenda 21, read my blog over this issue. http://www.johnsunol.blogspot.com.au

  • Defender_of_the_Underdogs

    The headline itself and the conclusions this article draws are nothing short of right-wing propaganda. It is a total distortion of the facts. The quote: “Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!” is a far cry from gay groups “demanding that Christian churches be shut down”. No one is saying that churches can’t practice their religion. What this “gay” group is saying is this: If you are lobbying congress to make laws based on your religion, then you are not a church, you are a political group that does not qualify for religious tax-exempt status. If you want to keep your 501 3c status, then you need to keep your religion in your church and out of our congressional halls. It’s as simple as that.

  • Jerry Reiter

    What a false headline. One guy, not the entire state organization, wrote one statement that went too far, but he took it down as soon as someone pointed that out.

  • Dave McManus

    Go ahead and do their ceremony. But before make sure they know the service will cost them an arm and a leg. Say $100K or more…..

    • Dakota

      that’s discrimination too Dave.. where does Jesus say to discriminate against others?

  • GetAware

    Typical homofascist narcissism.

    They can’t intimidate us into condoning their lifestyle choices, so they lobby, slander, instigate discord, indoctrinate our children without our consent & when all else fails, they go for what they are notorious for…..lawsuits.

    Some of us will NEVER accept that lifestyle as anything other than what it really is: a sick, perverted, abnormal sexual disorder that results in degenerate health & moral distortion.

    I pray they abandon their deadly lifestyle and believe on Jesus Christ, so they may be born again, and escape the eternal fires of Hell.

    Then, they will discover the peace and acceptance they long for.

  • Jerry Reiter

    Soon after the initial hub-bub following the Supreme Court’s ruling in favor of marriage equality next month, this issue will fade away. Most Christians in the US already favor marriage equality, and even among evangelicals, nearly half the young people do. And 8 of 10 say gays make good parents.

  • Raphelibe

    The liberty given to men to marry men and women to marry women should not be limited to this category. To make the world a free place, where men and women can do whatever is pleasing to their bodies. I will suggest that the following be approved by the authorities and the relevant courts. Mothers should be allowed to marry their sons if that will make them happy and free. Fathers should be allowed to marry their daughters if that will help them live longer! People should be permitted to wed dogs, horses, animals etc if they so wish and such animals should be legally recognized as either their husbands or wives. Blood sisters and brothers from the same parents should be allowed to marry if that will make them happy and politically correct!
    These are only suggestions, I may be wrong in my thinking, but I guess it will make the world a better place and make the devil very happy.

  • frankfan42

    Artery appears in the photo to have facial expressions consistent with sodomic practices.

    • Dakota

      how Christian of you.
      “Judge not, that you not be judged” right?

      • frankfan42

        Interesting how you, apparently a non Christian feels qualified to judge a Christian based on one cherry picked Scripture. Truth is, we ARE to judge, but using God’s values, not ours. I don’t hold your ignorance against you 🙂

        • Dakota

          hey look you managed to be wrong on all accounts. I am a Christian, I didn’t judge you, and you’re still wrong about judging others. it’s even funnier you commented on someone’s physical appearance there cue ball

          • frankfan42

            What does it mean to be a Christian? What does one have to do in order to claim not only to believe in, but follow Christ?
            Notice I said “apparently” since you indicate that we are “Not to judge others.” Perhaps when you mature you will find that there are different types of “Judgment” such as Judgment only God is qualified to do- final Judgment, and using our everyday common sense to apply “Judgment” as to whether a situation is safe or not. If a practice is not consistent with the Word we can safely “Judge” that it is NOT of God.
            You exercise “Good Judgment” when you don’t shout racial epithets in the “Hood.”
            It is folly to not use the tools God gave us to Judge whether an action is consistent with the teachings of God, and therefor consistent with Him.
            BTW- thanks for noticing my “Dome”- you do know that all fine furniture has a marble top;) right?

  • Dakota

    there’s quite a difference in saying “churches who follow the bible should be shut down” and “churches who lobby to have individuals’ freedoms taken away should have their 501(c)3 status taken away”. being shut down and having your tax exemption revoked are two completely different things. but why should anyone expect a right wing news source to be truthful

  • ilCorago

    LGBT objection has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or with being “full fascist.” The fact is that 501 (c)(3) organizations put their status in jeopardy when they indulge in political lobbying or activism. According to the IRS website: Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.

    It seems pretty clear to me that it’s a separation of church and state issue. I don’t think any American who values equality and mutual respect wants to live in a theocracy.

    • Michael Ejercito

      Opposing same-sex marriage does not constitute a political campaign for public office.

  • Maxine

    Like all of these other “power play” groups – supporters of same sex marriages want to finally realize their dream. Unfortunately the radicals go threatening to have churches who do not recognize the unions be shutdown! Where do we live? Oh, people say we’re in America….golly we don ‘t look much like America anymore

  • Wayne

    Homosexual Versus
    Wisdom

    Okay for a moment,
    let’s leave the religious views of homosexual out of the equation.

    And let’s compare it
    against wisdom.

    Can two men sleeping
    together produce a child? Wisdom says no.

    Can two women sleep
    together produce a child? Again wisdom says no.

    Definition of sex. Sex
    (sµks) n. 1.a. The property or quality by which
    organisms are classified as female or male on the basis of their reproductive
    organs and functions. b. Either
    of the two divisions, designated female and male, of this classification. Wisdom
    :You need to have one male and one female in order for this definition to be
    satisfied. So if two males or two females are trying to have a sexual act this
    is called perversion not sex in other words there mines are perverted. Definition
    of per·vert·ed (p…r-vûr“t¹d) adj. 1. Deviating from what is considered right and correct. Wisdom:
    Now does it become a medical, mental or a religious problem? You make the call.

    http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/medical-consequences-of-what-homosexuals-do/#fn-230-29

  • Believer

    People are worried about offending anyone…except God.

  • MILAN68

    Since this is how they’re going to act,we should start treating them the way ISIS treat their gay problem

  • Ron

    God is not for being gay just like he’s not for man and women sleeping together who are not married.. Both are sins

  • winmatt53

    People this was Obama’s strategy all along he has managed a great devide in this country to do and accomplish exactly what is going on, he knows what he’s doing, and it’s working , keep watching stay tuned the states will call for a revolution! The Gays in this country are now thinking we are fair game, just like the Terrorists ? ? bless us all and God bless America!!!

  • William organ

    Lol oklahoma and texas has already told the people to uphold there first ammendment right. Therefore making this law null and void! Way to go texas and oklahoma.

  • kennybaird

    This is what the church gets for excepting the 501 back in the 50’s status that forbids political speech of any kind in the church if they want to be tax exempt,they sold themselves down the river and us along with it,this is where the real revolution should start like 1776.

    • Michael Ejercito

      This regards speech concerning political candidates, not speech on issues.

  • Alamoses

    Why give them all this attention? I am so tired of the continuous disturbance of my peace. Have they no modesty? Apparently they have nothing else going on in their lives and minds. So angry. I believe the handful of outrageous malcontents reflect poorly on the majority. Motorcyclists refusing to wear helmets. Who did you think I was talking about. LOL

  • Brandon Hall

    this dude is really trying to be a butthead. i see it this way GOD loves us all no matter what and if one that church won’t let you in look for another one. because the church that would’t is not following the law of GOD love thy naighbor and also i think there is a part about never turn anyone away who is looking for salvation. im not gay but i support the people beacuse this is just one step toword peace. im a christen and I think if they want to come to church let them don’t turn them away because their gay

  • Chunkdog1

    Just because someone has the legal right to do something, doesn’t give them the right to force others to be involved in it with them.

  • AMERICA 111

    I wish churches would lose their tax exempt status in exchange for freedom to preach the Gospel. God will sustain them / us with the funding. We do not need tax free dollars to say that penis in the rear is sin, and an abomination. This is not about “love,” this is about sex. God was pretty clear in His word about sexual impurity. #lovewins is a FALSE narrative overlooking the pink elephant in the room.

  • P Bowers III

    And so the Battle begins! Gays mind your own business. Leave Christians alone. We have a job to do, fulfill the Great Commission of Jesus Christ!
    http://WWW.SabbathTruth.com

  • Jacob Blaustein

    While his opinion is wrong, he is asking for tax exemption status to be revoked…NOT SHUT DOWN!!!
    Honestly there is a massive problem if you can’t see that.

  • Joe

    Here’s a funny one that a lot don’t know but you follow. ..
    In the Christian bible homosexuality is a sin…
    In the Theleima bible…Do what you wanna do…
    They copied the church and a lot of people thinking it’s exactly the same church we pray to…

    It’s all Aleister Crowley teaching without you knowing ….

    Go find the Christian good news book and read it…
    It’s a sin…weather you like or not !

    Leviticus 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

    “1Leviticus 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.

    “1 Corinthians 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    “Romans 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

  • Christians Love

    Praise God. Equality won. Bigotry lost! God has blessed the LGBT community, His rainbow children He created to be FABULOUS!

  • D Briggs

    “Give me Liberty or Give me Death”… Patrick Henry

    • Imyerhuckleberry

      hmm

  • Matt

    Those people ever heard of separation of church and state?

  • Fred the Barbarian

    So having a church’s tax exempt status revoked for failing to follow the rules that allow them to not pay taxes is equivalent to shutting them down. Are disgusting conservative thugs even capable of telling the truth? I hope all your worst fears come true.

  • iceorchids

    one of the rules to be tax exempt is that you cannot be financially involved in political affairs, so he is absolutely correct, it doesn’t matter what the issue is you shouldn’t help funding any political stance one way or the other, or lose that exempt status. It’s not for preaching or living by the bible, its for actively funding.

  • The People

    Stop shoving your gay cocks down the American people.

  • Richard

    I guess there is no freedom of assembly anymore.

  • Tpatriot

    Just because this guy is a queer doesn’t mean I have to be one.

  • secret societies

    the complexities of Christianity are: bare minimum-believe Jesus is Lord and accept that as fact and you will receive a pass into heaven; and tell people about Him or the Gospel. man is that complex, NOT!…the cry babies say: “you have to go to church”; big deal! cry me a river grab a tissue. isn’t it advisable to go to a union meeting from time to time; or when your job has office meetings ect? that’s all fine and dandy BUUUUT, man going to church as a thanks for SAVING my ass from eternal fire is WAY too much to ask for..after all things are just so complicated.

  • Todd Bethell

    The CHURCH needs to stop cowaring behind their precious 501-c-3 abandone it and find their voices. The Church has always been tax exempt and always will be. see a little history on the subject at http://www.husmoney.org
    Todd Bethell

  • Jack Brogdon

    Perhaps gay people are just fed up with being scapegoated as all that is wrong with the world by hypocrites who only pretend to love their neighbor as themselves. I personally am tired of being condemned by people who know absolutely nothing of my life or my faith. But you’re right, you’re free to be just as hateful as you want to be just as I am free to call you out on your hypocrisy. And you’re also right to point out that fundamentalist bigotry isn’t just the property of right-wing Christians. I’m just so happy that you don’t advocate hanging me from a crane and are content to simply condemn me to an eternity of torment. I suppose I should thank you for that at least. Um, THANKS?

  • Jim

    Pederast! Homosexual! Homo! Queer! Faggot! Dyke! You will never be gay! Those disgusting anal-intercourse perverts stole the word “gay” and they are mean, not gay, especially lesbians are the meanest bunch. Lesbians hate men and they hate most of women too. They are one step from going pedophile and terrorist too. Some of the “gay” are so perverse, I was listening to their stories acting as “gay-friendly” for a while. Those stories had hair stand up on my head. And they were grabbing all over my body even knowing I am straight! Even offered to eat their creepy food, probably made of some kids that they killed. I reported them to the police yet police did nothing. Guess who is the police chief? Is a pedophile himself! Those “gays” stories included sleeping with multiple partners every day and having sex in the bushes, library, movies, even in kindergarten, stealing, they have sex with underage, even killing and even eating human flesh. These are sick perverted diseased people. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer, he also was a homo, a serial killer, pedophile and a cannibal all in one. I’ve met such in the past and they are creepy as hell. There are many of them, at least 5 out of 1000 people are “gay” that show all other traits such as cannibalism, pedophilia, psychopathy and more. They should be isolated from society, not allowed to adopt kids or marry each other. They can “marry” each other in prison.

  • Marleena

    Wow. How insane! They want churches to be shut down because they hate that homosexuality is a SIN that GOD opposes(God considers homosexuality VILE affections) and they can’t stand that Christians follow an all-knowing, all-powerful HOLY God’s commandments. How ludicrous! What’s next? Are they going to sue God personally for not honoring their abominations against Him and humanity? Is HE supposed to bow down to THEM now? SMH

  • John Christopher sunol

    This is persecution coming to Christian churches who follow the bible by the Gay Lobby this is forcasted in prophecy to happen in the last days. Homosexual persecution is coming to the church as I beleive homosexuality NOT Islam is the Anti Christ and false phrophet http://www.johnsunol.com.au

    • John Christopher sunol

      I believe that it is even possible for the Anti Christ to force homosexual worship through the false phrophet who will justify homosexuality on behalf of the Beast of revelations or the anti christ

  • dennis richardson

    Do you homosexuals want civil war in this country? Bring it on. This is a battle to the end. Christianity built western civilization. Your ideas and life styles did not build civilization. That would not be logical. Homosexuals are pawns in the hands of the world’s powerful elite. They will use you and then you die of your self inflicted diseases. Poor Christians built science in the past. The rich in the past did not build science. They were content with the wealth that they had without any new science. Your efforts will leave you at the hands of the powerful elite and Muslim Islamists. The Islamists will devourer you

  • Hansenl

    Christian, just like all religions of the Abrahamic branch should be banned. All they do is spreading hatred. Society doesn’t need ingorance and hatred anymore.

    Christians love advocating the killing of gay people. I’m depply horrified by how easy christians can speak about killing homosexual people as if deciding what piece of clothe they will buy next. The bible is hateful so are christians.

  • Sarah Hood

    I’m a Christian and also a lesbian and Jesus never preached against homosexuality. So Hate and judgement is a belief of some people and should not be preached in the name of Jesus. Also…church is definitely a profiting business and should pay taxes!

    http://youtu.be/Cm1SfxCndTA

  • Ali Owens

    Misleading headline, much? Come on…people are simply asking that the separation of church and state be upheld, and that if churches keep getting involved politically, they should have to pay taxes like everyone else. That’s hardly “demanding that churches be shut down.” Stop sensationalizing everything – you’re taking advantage of gullible people who don’t actually pay attention and using their gullibility to further your own agenda.

  • Suebe Hatz

    Freedom of will, which also implies that you can make a choice between God or your flesh. God wants all whom love Him to follow His commandments and live it. God does not want robots, He gave everyone the gives everyone a chance and a choice. Don’t tread on Him and His character. He gives everyone a chance, and if you have any goodness in your heart then why would you want to hurt a real Christian. I don’t understand why would anyone want to kill someone who doesn’t kill you for your ways, when there are other religions that kill gays and lesbians. I don’t get it. Maybe you don’t think that Christians would fight back, well your wrong. Christians must stand up for Gods laws and commandments, and can do without killing like some others. God is the most Awesome and Greatest God and there is no other like Him. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is the greatest truth there is. Read the Bible. You to may find the Joy I have found.

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